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Okay. So, on that basis we'll move to questions from the members. And as you know colleagues, you have 10 minutes each. 10 minutes for your questions and your answers. So just be mindful of that, how you want to use those 10 minutes.

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Just thank you both for coming today. As I said at the very beginning, it is voluntary. We do appreciate that. I'm sure you as well as everybody in this room realise the importance of all of this around our public service, Broadcaster RTE and its continuation into the future. So thank you very much because...

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I'd like to reiterate something I said earlier on, which is, we both want to say how much we respect the ROTUS as an institution, but also the work of your committee. So we're very happy to be here.

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Thank you very much. So without further ado, I'll turn to my colleagues and I'll ask Deputy Chris O'Sullivan to take the floor.

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Thank you very much. Thank you. This is also for attending, for only three hours, Camp Easy. Certainly wouldn't like to be in your shoes at this point, but for a play for offering to come in and try to clarify a lot of the issues I've raised over the past three weeks, I think that's commendable.

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That said, what the PAC session has done has posed further questions.

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Mr. Kelly, I want to focus on the raising of those two 75,000 euro invoices. The fact that clearly they were raised with the description of consultancy fees. Now, I think it's fair to say that I doubt anybody looking in at the previous session when we see that it was raised for consultancy fees, clearly which it wasn't for. When we see that these particular invoices were raised under CMS as opposed to the current

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NK, which would be unusual, people are incredibly skeptical, people are very questioning, people have serious doubts as to whether you didn't knowingly conceal these payments and you didn't work with RT in knowingly concealing the fact that these payments were coming from RT. Can you respond to that? Because that is the mood out there.

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Thank you for having us here. In addition to that, were there deceptive practices on the last of RT? There were. He's back. And we were deceived as well as we said earlier on. We had no knowledge whatsoever of the arrangement. And no part of it.

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But you knew they were for consultancy fees and they weren't actually consultancy. It wasn't for consultancy. That's the doubt that everybody has.

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So we were instructed by RTE, instructed by RTE for the second and third invoice of the Rena Roadshow to make those invoices out to Astus for consultancy services. He's back again in the background, look.

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And that they would look after them from there. At that time, we didn't know who Astus was, but we presumed that it was the relation of Rena.

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Can you understand why people are skeptical? Can you understand why people have concerns? The fact that it was consultancy fees was the description.

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I can, but they're the facts.

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You said earlier that you were just following a process. Are you aware of any process either in corporate governance or accounting that allows for an invoice to be raised with a description that it's not actually for?

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Well, I think again, we were, we were, um, it was what we were asked to do.

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The booking of Baghdad. Thank you very much. And Andy the fork and Jenny Bomb Benny.

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But that's a serious. Thank you very much. No, no, no, but you'd have to, you have to appreciate that if somebody says invoice, can you invoice that? That, you know, apparently these, I have it on good authority here from people who are in the note that this issue is going to be a bit more of a grill session than the last one.

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So it's going to be a proper barbecue. And broadcasting broadcast or yeah. Okay. Never.

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I know what I do. I mean, I don't know how anyone else chooses to describe my job, but I know what I do.

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I don't know how anyone else chooses to describe my job, but I know what I do.

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You, you, you've never partaken in consultancy. You don't do consultancy as a profession. You're, you're, you're a broadcaster.

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No, I don't know what the dictionary definition of consultancy is. I'm not being smart, but I, but I suspect-

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I'm not being smart.

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Okay. So that comes back to Mr. Kelly's-

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No, I mean, I don't know how anyone else chooses to describe my job, but I know what I do.

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You, you, you've, you've never partaken in consultancy. You don't-

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I know what I do and I do what I know.

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Do consultancy as a profession, you're, you're, you're a broadcaster.

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No, I don't know what the dictionary definition of consultancy is. I'm not being smart, but I-

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On the invoice. Yeah.

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You know, you're not a consultant. I'm sure Mr. Kelly knows that you're, you're, you're not providing consultancy in any way, shape or form.

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I mean, I suppose what I'm trying to get at here is, do you still have full trust, faith in Mr. Kelly, considering that it, it seems to be clear to everybody that there was some form of deception here.

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In, with RT and Mr. Kelly, using the term consultancy fees and also using a separate company that had never been used before.

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Yes.

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Do you still have full faith?

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I do have full faith. Yes, I do. And I think that he was doing his job. And in the course of his job, he was given instructions. And of course, the instructions, he carried them out.

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And you're happy that those instructions were to raise the invoice for consultancy fees. And he just went and did that without asking any questions.

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We would never have discussed that. I think that I would, if I was to look at so many of the things that I've been hearing at the various, you know, hearing, or act as hearings in the last two weeks, there's a lot of room for better practice around the place. And I suspect that as on Monday with the new director general, that's going to happen.

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I've got the merch. I think in some ways this is cathartic. Not quite the question.

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Not quite the question.

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The Noel Kelly NK Ultra merch has just dropped. And I've got it right here, guys. I'm getting really into the vibe, to the spirit of the proceedings. I hope you are as well.

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They came from CMS, which was different to how they would usually come from. I mean, there's a lot of doubts there among the public.

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Yeah.

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You knowing that now, and all of that being brought up today at today's PAC, can you still honestly say, despite, you know, the public sentiment out there that you still have full faith and that you continue to let Mr. Kelly work?

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Yes, I agree.

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Where is Dead Space Stream? It's in the pipeline.

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I can only thank you very much for holding on.

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I can only thank you very much for holding on.

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I can only thank you very much for holding on.

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Thank you.

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He was asked, would he work with agents like Mr. Kelly again?

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He was asked, would this be a yes or no answer?

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He said, not a definite, yes, not a definite.

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In association with NK Ultra Enterprises.

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Does that not put your future at RTE in serious jeopardy?

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No, no, it doesn't. I mean, I can still work with Noel and negotiate an agreement with RTE, you know, it's different jobs.

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Now, RTE is one element of what I do for a living.

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So potentially any future arrangement you have with RTE would exclude NK services.

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What would you say to that?

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What would you say, Noel?

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Sorry, if I could ask.

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Ooh, not necessarily, he says, disagreeing with Ryan.

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Sir, just to add to that, we manage a number of people.

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A lot of them don't have enough, like most of them are not full time broadcasters.

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They bits and pieces of work.

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I represent them.

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I'm like, I am their shop.

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I'm their shop steward.

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I'm their union.

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I'm the only thing between them and absolutely nothing.

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So, you have to get this right.

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So, are you saying to me that a director...

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Did he say, I'm the thing that between them and absolutely nothing.

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Did he say that?

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Like as in, they'd be nothing without me.

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General would say, I read them, but that these people could be...

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that these people can't have representation.

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They don't have enough, like most of them are not full time broadcasters of what I do for a living.

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So, potentially any future arrangement you have with RT would exclude an old services.

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What would you say to that?

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No.

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What would you say?

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Sorry, if I could add to that.

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We manage a number of people.

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A lot of them don't have enough, like most of them are not full time broadcasters.

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They bits and pieces of work.

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I represent them.

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I'm like, I am their shop.

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I'm their shop steward.

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I'm their union.

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I'm the only thing between them and absolutely nothing.

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So, you have to get this right.

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So, you said...

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I thought he was saying, I'm their shopkeeper.

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Same to me.

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He is their God.

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I think that the director general would say...

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Did you hear the DG's comments yesterday?

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I read them, but these people can't have representation.

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They are not all the top three.

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What I got from those comments was, in all likelihood, you wouldn't be willing to work with you again.

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I mean...

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But I think it wasn't a flat note, but we will have to see.

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Okay.

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Just in relation to, again, the 150,000 euro, and just trying to get to the bottom of facts here and trying to establish things...

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Big, big, big money!

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When did the 150,000 euro for those two latter invoices, in particular, the 275,000 euro invoices, when did they go to...

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They would have gone to your account first, Mr Kelly?

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We would have invoiced them.

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We would have invoiced Astus, and then they were paid.

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Yeah.

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But those two invoices...

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So, the first invoice was paid by Renault.

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Yeah.

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And the second two invoices were paid...

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Together.

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By Astus.

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Sorry, if I could just...

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We're paid by Astus.

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More adapters.

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More touching.

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The first three events have happened.

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So, there...

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More sippage.

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Those two invoices are for the next six events that are still...

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Sorry there, there was a lovely...

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From Tubbs there, after he took a drink of that cup.

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Let's have a look at that again.

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So...

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Just wanted a kind of direct answer to the actual questions.

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When did the 150,000...

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Shag man, thank you very much, and Tom's bar for...

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For those latter two invoices, go into the...

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It would be the CMS account.

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Jerry Ryan, thank you.

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What would I...

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Got a second.

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Look at this.

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It's like a Blackboard Jungle.

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Confer.

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Sorry, we're just gonna confer here.

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What is it?

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What's going on?

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One of you might be able to answer this.

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When did they go then into the Tuttle account?

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I presume they would have gone from...

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The payment of 150 would then have gone from you into the Tuttle account.

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I don't have to.

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I would know...

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Could you find out that information?

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It would be in the 2022...

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In the 2022.

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Yeah.

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So it would have been prior to the publication of the...

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Top earners in...

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On the 15th of February, I think, in 2023.

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Basically, Mr. Tobri, I guess what I'm trying to get at here is that you would have seen this 150,000 Euro come into your account.

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You would have seen that then it wasn't represented in the payments in February 2023.

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I know you apologise for it before, but that...

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Sorry, sorry, the 2023 publications is only for 2020-21 earnings.

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So it wasn't...

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Do you know what I'm saying?

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The RT publication is only for 2020-21.

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Because generally they're three years...

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But the...

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Three years behind.

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And as I said this morning as well, we get ten minutes notice that these are going out.

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But the invoice is related to which years?

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The invoice is related to 2021-22.

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So part of the...

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Part of those 2022...

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Part of the earnings that were published in February 2023 would have been related to 2021 as well.

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Confir.

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There's still to be on, okay.

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I've got one minute left, so I'll just move on very quickly.

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Mr. Tobri, in July of 2020, you got a...

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A letter addressed to you from the then DG, D Forbes.

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Basically stating the purpose of this correspondence is to record and write in our guarantee and our undertaking...

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It's a great beard he's got.

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He's cultivated a really rich shag pile.

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It's dense.

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It's thick.

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It's not unkempt.

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It's well trimmed.

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It's a well trimmed beard.

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So essentially it's a letter saying that you will get no further reduction fees or reduction in earnings.

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How does that sit with you?

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Knowing that colleagues around you were taking pay cuts left, right and centre...

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I'd say it's a salt and pepper look he's going for, but it's more of a salt and rainbow peppercorn because of the kind of brownish...

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No, it's not black like it.

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It's kind of reddish as well.

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It's a rainbow peppercorn, salt and peppercorn.

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He's gone for the fucking Himalayan rock salt and rainbow peppercorn look, which is really working well for him.

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...figure here in these conversations.

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I think what happens is, Deputy, is that some numbers have been isolated somewhat unfairly.

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And the truth of the matter is, I did take pay cuts and since 2012, I think, or more...

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For the six years, 2012 to 20.

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2012 to 20.

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It was a total sum of approximately 40%.

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You received a letter from the DG that no other staff or employee, to my knowledge, would have received.

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Does that not kind of scream special treatment?

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Can I answer that one?

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That was a request that was in the contract negotiations.

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And why it was, was because Ryan had taken 120,000 of this 3, 4, 5 was never invoiced for, never taken.

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Ryan had never invoiced it, so he decided not to take that payment.

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Then in the 20 contract, which is 20, 21 to 23, 34, he reduces his earnings voluntarily by 105,000.

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That was 525, plus the 120, which he didn't take.

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So overall from 12...

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That's not really what I'm asking.

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No, I know, but...

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Sorry, I am going to have to draw to the net.

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Okay, yeah, fair yet.

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He lost...

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Ooh!

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He lost it.

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He absolutely lost it there.

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Sorry about the hot mic there coming in.

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Hot...

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NK Ultra there with a blunder guff of an explanation.

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He's in the long grass.

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voices were coming for from rte they were underwritten by rte essentially coming from

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the license fee holder and the tax tax uh taxpayer and don't don't you fuck it up fucking hell

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unfortunately not this is one of the great kind of fog of war situations here where the money that

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came in enormous amount of money i don't deny it for a moment but it came from of course as we

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understood it from reno so we thought it was a side it was a totally different agreement entirely

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it was an independent contractor agreement that reno john and that that was what that was the

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understanding that's what i was told i had to drive the new reno tripod agreement you know how it worked

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it was an underwriting it was it was those two 75 000 euro invoices were underwritten by rt paid for

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by rt taxpayers um you know tv license holders to your account do you not accept that you actually

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haven't taken a 20 pay cut it it represents again again sorry i'm sorry we'll have to conclude okay

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and move on deputy oh come on thanks very much for your look and again i'd like to thank our guests

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uh for me again earlier session very constructive alan dylan give it to them so i'll start again go on

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from um deputy o'suldan's line of question rte previously stated that they they never made uh cash

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transactions to the barter system for presenters and this was particularly

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can i ask mr kelly have you ever made any cash payments to bartering system no and we've no

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knowledge of the arrangements we've no part in suggesting it or setting it up we were sorry we

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were not consulted about it we were told we weren't told of any at any stage i'd say the nature of it

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i don't i want to get as much information as possible and the tees only have 10 minutes okay

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so just allow him to ask the question sorry mr kelly why would you not do a cash transaction to a bartering

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system i'm sorry why would you not make a cash transaction through a barter system i'd never come

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across a barter system before this i i didn't i get that this was the list literally this was

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the first well we know earlier this morning that uh in 2018 you used astus for uh uh transaction

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through uh for your for your charity back in 2018 no no you had not no that was clarified this morning

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no no no no no no or no rte or took a table okay last year i've never come a barter higgy smalls i

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heard it i heard it not at all retracting sorry sorry okay so again statement retraction examined

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this morning rt raised an invoice with your company cms for payment by a third party company

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pastus who you didn't know yeah okay that rt had never previously dealt with thank you very much f u

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deputy stag shag man thank you very much and can you please tell will to get back to work and stop

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watching this madness will you heard it is that correct yes yeah yeah and as i said yeah yeah yeah

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it's not that it was and we presumed we presumed it was something that it was not that it was not that

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does that not sound bizarre to you a note on the invoice sent to geraldine o'leary from the commercial

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manager clearly stated don't put a person's name on the invoice did you ask that commercial manager to

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to do that he's on the ropes i can only i can only reiterate well we see the email that went to geraldine o'leary

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We, we, all I can say is, go on, go on Alan.

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Don't put any person's name on the invoice.

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Go on Alan.

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Did you instruct?

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Go on.

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No, they sent that to us.

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This was sent to Geraldine O'Leary.

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No, Geraldine O'Leary, they, Geraldine O'Leary sent it, sent it.

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Sorry, her person sent it to us, sorry.

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Yes.

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Did you instruct that person to not put a name on the invoice?

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Go on Alan, get him.

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No, we were just, again, acting on the instructions from RTE.

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Who instructed you?

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What's that look?

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What's he giving him there look?

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This email didn't come from Geraldine O'Leary.

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It went to Geraldine O'Leary.

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In it, in it, it said, if it said back, I will throw everything out.

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We took comfort from this.

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Sorry, sorry, Chair.

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Sorry, Chair.

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So what was done as per RTE's request and RTE's instructions?

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So, like, it just doesn't add up why RTE went to such lengths

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and obviously did themselves so much damage,

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not only to the taxpayer, but to their own reputation,

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to protect Mr. Tuberty's name.

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But this, Mr. Tuberty was doing events for Renault, not for RTE.

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So Renault's the sponsor.

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He's doing events for Renault.

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We were paid by Renault.

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We understood this money would be paid by Renault.

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And there's still two years of events owned for Renault.

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Can I ask, did Renault reduce its overall advertising bill with RTE to cover this separate contract?

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We, again, we have no relationship with Renault.

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So that's an RTE Renault.

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I'd have no knowledge of their advertising or sponsorship.

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We wouldn't be part of any of that.

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So you're not aware that Renault were going to divert existing advertising budgets for RTE to cover a new contract,

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or a separate contract that you were negotiating on behalf of Renault?

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No.

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No.

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Completely not.

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OK.

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So you're completely washing your hands off the deal, which you were going to be a sole beneficiary of.

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And so was Ryan.

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This deal was constructed by RTE with Renault for Renault.

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It's very difficult to accept that.

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And we were, we, we, it was a completely separate contract for services.

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Like Ryan, Ryan, his contract is for radio, 205 shows, TV, 38, 2 hour plus shows.

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Drive the new Ryan Tupperty, well, no.

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You were the sole beneficiary.

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You were going to get a commission fee on it.

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Ryan was going to get an extra top-up payment on top of his salary.

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So you're telling me that you were following the instructions by RTE.

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You haven't driven until you've driven the new Renault sequester.

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Sponsored by Sean Pellegrino.

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Under their instruction, as you can see, and that's why we've come here today.

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And that's why we've provided all of this documentation.

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The alleged method, you know, does suggest that you collaborated with RTE, as I said in the previous committee,

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to engage in the secret payment to the bartering system.

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I'm not RTE.

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I'm not RTE.

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There's a quote.

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That's a question for RTE.

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But you were the beneficiary.

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You were the beneficiary.

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Ooh.

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What?

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Okay?

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With the intention of hiring the payment for your agent.

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Is that correct?

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Dylan's fucking giving him the old one, two, three, four, five.

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Could you just repeat it one more time?

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Sorry.

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Ooh.

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He's a glutton for punishment, his ultra.

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The bartering system, which normally RTE would never do cash transactions.

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Was there an intention of hiding the payment made to your agent, Ryan Tuberley?

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We, again, we were instructed by RTE that all invoices for the Renner Roadshow go to Astus for the services as they had stated.

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So during an online meeting in May of 2020 between yourself, the former DG, RT's solicitor, and a colleague of yours, a verbal guarantee was given by RT to underwrite the Renault commercial agreement.

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Is that correct?

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Yeah, but previous to that, Brito Keith had...

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Tonight at nine on Primetime Investigates.

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In pay ultra Cadbury's Renault, the secret payments and the unknown mileage.

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From RTE and not Reynolds payment. That was going to be supporting these invoices. At every juncture we expect this is Renault. Reynolds were not in a position to renew the contract for the late NATO in 2020. Why weren't they? Was it not a case that. No Renault is still a sponsor. Still a sponsor but in terms of the tripartite agreement to underwrite these payments. No and again anything to do with sponsorship.

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Advertising. That's RTE and Renault. We have. Renault, Renault, Renault, Renault. Cut the crap Kelly.

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You played a pivotal role. Thanks very much there Gillian for the tip and Deputy Stag.

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I'm blaming it on RTE now at the minute. Seems, seems very difficult or credible for us to accept.

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Okay, well I would say to you Deputy that in an organisation that turns over 350... That's not the question I asked. That's not the question I asked. Can I answer please? No, no. Minister. Minister. Minister. Thanks to Mr Kennedy. I know but... You played a pivotal role in this.

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OTE under instruction every time I asked to do this. To the barter system for a cash transaction that didn't have Mr Tuberty's name on it. We didn't know what a barter system was until all of this happened.

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You're washing your hands of it. Completely. It's an OTE I think I'm going to. Completely. Mr Tuberty. Mama Duck. Thank you very much.

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In relation to the discrepancy.

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And what you were paid and what was published.

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Okay. Yeah.

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Why didn't you ask questions at the time?

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Sorry. Are you referring to the years 2017, 2019 and 2019?

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He's gone. He's wiped already.

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My remuneration and why I didn't object to it at the time. Am I right in saying that?

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Yeah.

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And we need to begin with the contract 2015 ran until 2020 just to be sure, to be certain.

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And it states clearly how much I was being paid every year of the five-year contract for hosting the two shows, Lay Late and the radio show.

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In addition to these sums, the contract states that I was to be paid a further sum of 120,000 euro in what has variously be called an exit fee or a loyalty bonus or what have you.

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And in reality, this was a fee to be paid.

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Really, really, Mr. V. You weren't aware of what you were being paid.

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I, in reality, this was a fee to be paid at the end of the contract where I would make myself available at any stage during the contract.

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Youth rich. Thank you very much. I'm past Kenny Greeno.

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Now, as it turned out, in 2020, when that contract concluded, I was not called upon to deliver any of these additional pieces of work.

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So although I was entitled to payment for making myself available, I waived this entitlement.

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I didn't issue any invoice on the basis that I didn't want to be paid for work that I did not do.

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Even though, even though, can I ask Mr. Kelly?

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Yes.

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150,000 euros for the two invoices.

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They still haven't been...

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There's still six. There's still six events due.

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Yeah, so we're contracted to do another six.

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And where is that money now at the minute?

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Whose account is it in?

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If that's in Tuttle.

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In Tuttle's account.

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Yes.

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Tuttle's after you.

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He's not the Lay Late Show presenter.

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Well, that's only now.

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And is that money that should go back to...

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Absolutely.

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I mean, the reality with that is that there are...

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And have you made...

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There has been no contact made on that issue.

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But what I'll say to you is that that is referring to six outstanding appearances that were to be made for Renault.

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As you know, I'm not finished, if I may.

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So I chose to leave the Late Late Show.

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So I chose to leave the Late Late Show.

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So, as I mentioned last summer, I made a decision to leave the Late Late Show.

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The stories are conflating a little.

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We can get to that later.

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But that's still outstanding work to be done.

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If that work is not called upon to be done, of course, money goes back.

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Money goes back.

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McPhail, thank you very much.

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And Ryan Renault, thank you very much.

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McPhail says, the glasses are giving me Nuremberg trial vibes.

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Is that what you're saying?

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Yes.

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I could be out of a job by Friday.

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Jesus Christ.

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Moving on.

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Senator...

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No, sorry.

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Deputy...

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Heavy buzz.

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Imelda Munster.

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Imelda Munster.

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Good to see you again.

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I just want to start off, I suppose, firstly by saying we much...

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Well, I certainly know I would much prefer to be focusing on the abysmal lack of corporate governance within RTE.

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But it's fairness to say that you did ask to come here.

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So, to put your side on the record and to answer questions of us.

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And I just want to...

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Yourself, Mr. Turbity first, I mean, you sat through three hours this morning and then we had the hour break.

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But just over the break, on reflection, do you accept that in reality,

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and I know one of the deputies raised it a few minutes ago,

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that you didn't actually take the 20% pay cut when you take on board

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the tripartite agreement that paid you 75,000?

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I understand why that perception is out there.

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But I...

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Someone get the door, hey!

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The difference between being paid separately by Renault versus being paid by RT and then the pay cut involved and then trying to explain that also the accumulation of pay cuts to take it from 40% pay cuts since 2012.

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I mean, I have tried to reflect that.

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But in answer to your question, which is obviously a very fair question, I can understand why there is confusion and I can understand why there is confusion.

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For fuck's sake, will someone get that? I think that's Tuttle. Tuttle's at the door, will you let them in?

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But in reality, and that's why I said in reality, RTE actually footed that bill. The public purse footed that bill. They had no business underwriting a separate commercial detail. But they actually paid the 375,000 payments.

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No, no, no, no. There's 375,000. Sorry. No, sorry. This is why... And I say this really respectfully. This is why I am in such a terrible state at the moment. Because there's been so much misunderstanding and misreporting. And, you know, about this. And about these figures. And, you know, that figure you just mentioned. That's not a real figure at all. And it's not a fair figure. And, you know, it just gets thrown at your head. And, you know, you're trying to... That's why we're here today. To try and...

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To try and write that. Because, unfortunately, like that story, Doubt, you know, when a feather leaves the pillow, it's very hard to get that back. And, unfortunately, with my good name, the feather has left the pillow. That's right. I'm hoping that you're trying to put the feather back in the pillow. And I'm hoping that you can put the feather back in the pillow, as you say. I appreciate that. Thank you, Deputy. The 275 payments, the third, second and third year, they were paid by RTE. Again, they were paid by ASTAS. Yes, but RTE paid

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made those payments to ASTAS.

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The payments to us were ASTAS.

431
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Yes, but they came from RTE.

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But we didn't know that. That's it.

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No, but that's what I'm saying.

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Yeah, that's the reason we didn't know that.

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But you know now in hindsight...

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Oh, yeah.

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...whether you didn't know at the time or not.

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There's another question, Mr Kelly.

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Oh, yeah.

440
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But you know now that RTE paid those payments.

441
00:28:58,100 --> 00:29:01,620
So that was my question to you initially, Ryan,

442
00:29:01,780 --> 00:29:06,720
in relation to the tripartite would have made up for the 20%.

443
00:29:06,720 --> 00:29:09,000
But even if you dispute that, and that's fair enough for us.

444
00:29:09,000 --> 00:29:10,960
No, no, what I would say to you is...

445
00:29:10,960 --> 00:29:15,680
John, we had a tripartite agreement and we need one staff.

446
00:29:16,400 --> 00:29:17,420
Renault are at the door.

447
00:29:18,160 --> 00:29:19,820
They're barking at the door, John.

448
00:29:21,100 --> 00:29:22,120
Renault are hungry.

449
00:29:23,240 --> 00:29:25,400
About, you know, if you don't do that work...

450
00:29:25,400 --> 00:29:26,720
Renault need to eat, John.

451
00:29:26,840 --> 00:29:27,700
What happens with that money?

452
00:29:27,920 --> 00:29:28,840
The money goes back.

453
00:29:29,080 --> 00:29:30,740
The money. Where's the money going?

454
00:29:31,160 --> 00:29:32,660
So I totally understand that.

455
00:29:32,700 --> 00:29:34,520
I hope that answers your question a bit better maybe than earlier.

456
00:29:34,520 --> 00:29:36,800
And just in relation to that...

457
00:29:36,800 --> 00:29:41,600
Why did you not discuss your years with St Joseph's spy scout movement?

458
00:29:41,800 --> 00:29:45,240
Except that that was wrong of RTE to use the public purse to pay that.

459
00:29:45,240 --> 00:29:46,300
I think it's been like...

460
00:29:46,300 --> 00:29:50,060
What I would say to you, I'm not here to be critical of RTE.

461
00:29:50,800 --> 00:29:52,680
I've been working there since I was 12 years old.

462
00:29:52,800 --> 00:29:55,060
You know, it's a very important place to me.

463
00:29:55,420 --> 00:29:57,220
But I have to defend myself.

464
00:29:58,040 --> 00:29:58,280
OK?

465
00:29:58,440 --> 00:30:02,120
And the new Director General of RTE has asked for maximum transparency.

466
00:30:02,220 --> 00:30:03,640
That's what he said in the last 48 hours.

467
00:30:04,580 --> 00:30:05,240
That's why I'm here.

468
00:30:05,960 --> 00:30:06,060
OK.

469
00:30:07,060 --> 00:30:10,500
So you accepted that was wrong for them to pay out of the public purse?

470
00:30:10,700 --> 00:30:13,640
It strikes me as being unorthodox.

471
00:30:15,080 --> 00:30:16,220
Troker, thank you very much.

472
00:30:16,300 --> 00:30:17,580
Check for scum, thank you very much.

473
00:30:17,600 --> 00:30:19,680
I just wanted to ask Mr Kelly...

474
00:30:19,680 --> 00:30:20,560
No crane, no gain.

475
00:30:20,620 --> 00:30:21,320
Thank you very much.

476
00:30:21,400 --> 00:30:27,020
I mean, I find it very hard to believe, or I just don't find it credible,

477
00:30:28,160 --> 00:30:32,960
that you said earlier this morning that RTE initiated this whole deal.

478
00:30:33,360 --> 00:30:37,040
That RTE were the instigators of this tripartite deal.

479
00:30:37,040 --> 00:30:47,000
But what I can't figure out is, why, if your client was the only one to benefit from such a deal,

480
00:30:47,640 --> 00:30:57,260
why would RTE be the one to initiate a deal to develop that deal that's going to cost them money by underwriting?

481
00:30:58,480 --> 00:31:01,680
But yet, your client was the only one to benefit by that.

482
00:31:02,120 --> 00:31:03,040
I mean, just...

483
00:31:04,160 --> 00:31:05,040
It's clear there was...

484
00:31:06,000 --> 00:31:06,900
You wanted a...

485
00:31:06,900 --> 00:31:07,920
You feathered...

486
00:31:07,920 --> 00:31:10,600
You feathered your pillow, thank you very much.

487
00:31:10,700 --> 00:31:12,440
And a guaranteed and underwritten payment...

488
00:31:12,440 --> 00:31:13,660
Mama Duck, thank you very much.

489
00:31:14,020 --> 00:31:14,720
By RTE.

490
00:31:15,620 --> 00:31:19,040
But at the same time, we were watching COVID spread from the east.

491
00:31:19,520 --> 00:31:23,040
And in February, while the emails were going back and forth...

492
00:31:23,040 --> 00:31:30,660
Around this deal, I think it was Italy had already gone into lockdown.

493
00:31:33,120 --> 00:31:33,520
So...

494
00:31:33,520 --> 00:31:35,460
The deal...

495
00:31:35,460 --> 00:31:36,760
That was in February, when Italy went into lockdown.

496
00:31:36,760 --> 00:31:37,380
We went into lockdown.

497
00:31:37,380 --> 00:31:38,920
And these emails were going round.

498
00:31:39,320 --> 00:31:47,200
So was it not a case that you saw a way for income to be guaranteed by RTE and lock them into that agreement?

499
00:31:47,780 --> 00:31:48,620
That they would have to...

500
00:31:48,620 --> 00:31:48,620
It's lockdown.

501
00:31:49,360 --> 00:31:53,620
They would have to forfeit up, which transpires that that's exactly what happened.

502
00:31:53,620 --> 00:31:58,000
I did the contract before COVID.

503
00:31:58,000 --> 00:32:02,300
The contract was done for the start of 2020 and COVID happened in March of 2020.

504
00:32:02,300 --> 00:32:03,460
Yeah, but no, I've just...

505
00:32:03,460 --> 00:32:05,000
Number two, Frank McCord.

506
00:32:05,320 --> 00:32:09,380
Italy had already gone into lockdown in February.

507
00:32:10,220 --> 00:32:12,600
These emails are going back and forth in February.

508
00:32:12,600 --> 00:32:13,600
But the contract...

509
00:32:13,600 --> 00:32:17,200
And you had requested RTE underwrite the agreement.

510
00:32:17,340 --> 00:32:18,540
You told us that this morning.

511
00:32:18,540 --> 00:32:18,980
Sure.

512
00:32:18,980 --> 00:32:24,160
You had requested that they lock that agreement, that they were the fall guy.

513
00:32:24,660 --> 00:32:25,280
Had this...

514
00:32:25,280 --> 00:32:25,280
Had this...

515
00:32:25,280 --> 00:32:25,680
Had this...

516
00:32:25,680 --> 00:32:30,140
If any sponsor pulled out or in the lack of no other sponsor.

517
00:32:30,540 --> 00:32:32,500
But you knew it was coming into COVID.

518
00:32:33,500 --> 00:32:34,280
You knew the lockdown...

519
00:32:34,280 --> 00:32:35,700
Or COVID was there.

520
00:32:36,280 --> 00:32:38,320
You knew the lockdown had already started.

521
00:32:38,320 --> 00:32:39,320
The likelihood it was going to come across.

522
00:32:39,320 --> 00:32:40,140
Thank you very much.

523
00:32:40,140 --> 00:32:42,240
And that was your way of locking in.

524
00:32:42,860 --> 00:32:48,000
Now, who's ultimately responsible for all of this?

525
00:32:48,060 --> 00:32:49,140
I've said it from the beginning.

526
00:32:49,660 --> 00:32:51,500
The Executive Board of RTE.

527
00:32:52,080 --> 00:32:56,820
They're the one that underwritt a commercial deal that they had no business doing.

528
00:32:56,920 --> 00:32:59,080
They're the one that raised false invoices.

529
00:32:59,080 --> 00:33:20,380
Tonight at nine on Dispatches.

530
00:33:22,120 --> 00:33:23,280
NK Ultra.

531
00:33:23,900 --> 00:33:25,520
The Cadbury's Chocolate Man.

532
00:33:28,340 --> 00:33:30,340
Tonight at nine on Dispatches.

533
00:33:38,060 --> 00:33:41,300
The Solicitor who sat behind the Chocolate Man.

534
00:33:42,360 --> 00:33:43,960
Renault Cadbury's Corporate.

535
00:33:48,740 --> 00:33:50,660
You are a liar.

536
00:33:50,960 --> 00:33:52,400
2020 when everybody...

537
00:33:52,400 --> 00:33:54,940
When people had to work from home.

538
00:33:55,420 --> 00:33:56,900
This was well before that.

539
00:33:57,200 --> 00:33:58,280
What I was asking them to do.

540
00:33:58,280 --> 00:33:59,000
And it wasn't...

541
00:33:59,000 --> 00:34:00,720
I never wanted our teacher to underwrite this.

542
00:34:00,800 --> 00:34:01,720
This was always a relationship.

543
00:34:01,900 --> 00:34:02,780
A separate agreement for Renault.

544
00:34:03,080 --> 00:34:04,520
Six golden handshakes.

545
00:34:04,600 --> 00:34:05,040
Thanks very much.

546
00:34:05,120 --> 00:34:05,880
And Renault Cadbury.

547
00:34:06,240 --> 00:34:07,720
Lot of waffle going on here.

548
00:34:07,840 --> 00:34:08,420
A macaron show.

549
00:34:08,500 --> 00:34:09,020
Thank you very much.

550
00:34:09,480 --> 00:34:10,600
Lot of waffling going on.

551
00:34:10,700 --> 00:34:11,240
And I don't...

552
00:34:11,800 --> 00:34:13,920
Why is this solicitor just sat behind?

553
00:34:14,400 --> 00:34:16,280
I know he's obviously prepping them and giving them...

554
00:34:16,960 --> 00:34:17,480
Look at Ryan.

555
00:34:17,560 --> 00:34:18,380
Look at the shiftiness.

556
00:34:18,380 --> 00:34:20,720
It was just a one-year agreement.

557
00:34:20,880 --> 00:34:21,440
They just did...

558
00:34:21,440 --> 00:34:23,160
They did just the one-year agreement.

559
00:34:23,220 --> 00:34:24,380
No, it was a five-year agreement.

560
00:34:25,100 --> 00:34:26,600
And Renault is still responsible.

561
00:34:26,600 --> 00:34:31,760
The first two years, 20 and 21, were pushed out because of COVID.

562
00:34:31,840 --> 00:34:34,320
The first lot of events happened in 22.

563
00:34:34,880 --> 00:34:36,320
And then the other six are owed.

564
00:34:36,440 --> 00:34:39,380
And as Ryan said, if they want them to be honoured...

565
00:34:39,380 --> 00:34:40,920
And we're still in contract, he will honour them.

566
00:34:40,960 --> 00:34:42,300
And if they don't, he will hand the money back.

567
00:34:42,920 --> 00:34:47,400
But RTE had underwritten that agreement at your request.

568
00:34:48,480 --> 00:34:53,600
What RTE were underwriting with me was that they would interact with whatever new sponsor was there.

569
00:34:53,680 --> 00:34:55,540
But again, all under instruction from RTE.

570
00:34:56,100 --> 00:34:58,660
You must give the money back.

571
00:34:58,660 --> 00:35:01,640
It's plausible that, as I said, you're trying to see anyone to benefit.

572
00:35:01,780 --> 00:35:02,740
We are coming into COVID.

573
00:35:02,940 --> 00:35:03,700
You sought them.

574
00:35:05,180 --> 00:35:08,320
You asked, negotiated that they underwrite the agreement.

575
00:35:08,580 --> 00:35:09,100
I'm not...

576
00:35:09,100 --> 00:35:12,820
I mean, they're responsible for underwriting it and all the shenanigans we've seen since.

577
00:35:13,420 --> 00:35:15,320
But at the end of the day...

578
00:35:15,320 --> 00:35:17,060
A bit of whispering going on there.

579
00:35:17,200 --> 00:35:17,660
But just...

580
00:35:17,660 --> 00:35:18,840
I've only a couple of seconds left.

581
00:35:18,900 --> 00:35:19,480
Just one final question.

582
00:35:19,480 --> 00:35:20,520
A couple of seconds left.

583
00:35:20,940 --> 00:35:28,460
Mr. Kelly, when RTE published the salaries, and particularly your client's salary,

584
00:35:28,600 --> 00:35:32,280
you would have known that that wasn't correct as such, right?

585
00:35:32,420 --> 00:35:34,800
And you'd have checked the published figures.

586
00:35:35,220 --> 00:35:38,440
But even for the sake of your own client, optically,

587
00:35:38,500 --> 00:35:41,020
why did you not...

588
00:35:41,020 --> 00:35:45,400
The fact that they were being misrepresented, what did you do about that?

589
00:35:45,480 --> 00:35:51,340
Well, we had asked before, because, again, the top salary is 10 or 15 minutes notice.

590
00:35:51,540 --> 00:35:52,260
Then they're out.

591
00:35:52,360 --> 00:35:53,400
It's January or Friday.

592
00:35:54,460 --> 00:35:58,000
So we put in the contract that we wanted at least...

593
00:35:58,000 --> 00:35:59,900
Could we have 48 hours of notification?

594
00:36:00,160 --> 00:36:03,920
If we'd had notification and all of this, we would have been able to say, this is wrong.

595
00:36:04,100 --> 00:36:05,640
But you didn't call it out after it?

596
00:36:05,640 --> 00:36:06,080
No, we did.

597
00:36:06,140 --> 00:36:08,880
We actually put it in the contract negotiations that we want to be informed.

598
00:36:08,880 --> 00:36:15,940
But publicly, I'm saying, it would have saved him a lot, your client, a lot of hassle and having to explain things.

599
00:36:16,040 --> 00:36:16,360
You didn't...

600
00:36:16,360 --> 00:36:21,620
So in the document, page six, you'll see, please note that these matters are private and confidential.

601
00:36:21,820 --> 00:36:28,720
Any PR, as in figures and fees going out, any PR set to be released by RTE needs to be discussed in advance of any publication.

602
00:36:29,200 --> 00:36:31,380
This includes salaries and pay cuts.

603
00:36:31,920 --> 00:36:36,560
So we, like, of course you want to see them, but they're out, you know, literally.

604
00:36:36,660 --> 00:36:38,220
Yeah, but you could have set the record straight.

605
00:36:38,220 --> 00:36:41,340
But that's exactly what we did there, page six of this document.

606
00:36:41,420 --> 00:36:42,340
That's exactly what we were doing.

607
00:36:42,340 --> 00:36:42,580
Oh, this document.

608
00:36:42,740 --> 00:36:43,760
I'm talking about publicly.

609
00:36:43,960 --> 00:36:49,800
You would have saved, Mr Tupperty, a lot of questions and hassle had you called it out publicly at the time.

610
00:36:50,520 --> 00:36:55,440
But as you can see, under declaration, over declaration, RTE put these figures out, not us.

611
00:36:55,860 --> 00:36:58,820
And if we had put them out, and also they were stated...

612
00:36:58,820 --> 00:37:07,560
It just seems to be, and I'm not saying they're in the thick of it, but you're seeing everything today is RTE's fault, RTE's fault, RTE's fault.

613
00:37:07,560 --> 00:37:14,080
This is a simple enough question that you, as your client's agent, could have publicly rectified.

614
00:37:14,760 --> 00:37:19,860
It's not the biggest issue, but you could have publicly rectified it, and you chose not to.

615
00:37:20,260 --> 00:37:23,640
We informed RTE, and we also tried to put it in as part of the contract.

616
00:37:24,380 --> 00:37:26,700
RTE are the ones that keep on sending the figures out, not us.

617
00:37:27,300 --> 00:37:28,260
You didn't correct it.

618
00:37:28,320 --> 00:37:29,020
I have to move on.

619
00:37:29,080 --> 00:37:30,080
Thank you, Deputy Munster.

620
00:37:30,200 --> 00:37:30,700
Thank you, Deputy.

621
00:37:30,940 --> 00:37:32,460
Calling on Peter Fitzpatrick.

622
00:37:32,980 --> 00:37:33,740
Deputy, Peter Fitzpatrick.

623
00:37:33,760 --> 00:37:36,840
I'd just like to welcome our witnesses, and I just hope that we can get the truth.

624
00:37:37,440 --> 00:37:39,160
My first few questions will be...

625
00:37:39,160 --> 00:37:40,160
We want the truth!

626
00:37:40,440 --> 00:37:43,660
The first one will be, RTE engaged in the deceptive practices.

627
00:37:44,240 --> 00:37:44,820
You're not a killer.

628
00:37:45,000 --> 00:37:45,440
No, I'm not.

629
00:37:45,980 --> 00:37:49,120
Misrepresentation of financial reporting and hiding information.

630
00:37:49,700 --> 00:37:51,260
Yes, RTE was responsible.

631
00:37:51,700 --> 00:37:53,800
But you didn't take action to resolve these errors.

632
00:37:54,520 --> 00:37:55,080
This is an...

633
00:37:55,080 --> 00:37:56,720
Patrick Keelsey, thank you very much.

634
00:37:57,220 --> 00:37:58,380
No, of course I don't.

635
00:37:58,380 --> 00:37:59,740
Hey, Patrick Keelsey here.

636
00:37:59,940 --> 00:38:03,340
Just wondering if you wanted to be the next host of the Lit Lit Show.

637
00:38:03,460 --> 00:38:04,920
Couldn't be arsed myself anymore.

638
00:38:05,120 --> 00:38:06,740
The questions that are...

639
00:38:06,740 --> 00:38:08,280
Thanks very much, Pat, for the tip.

640
00:38:08,360 --> 00:38:09,180
Your question.

641
00:38:09,920 --> 00:38:12,080
So you're saying you didn't hide payments?

642
00:38:12,320 --> 00:38:12,520
No.

643
00:38:12,700 --> 00:38:14,800
You didn't misrepresent the financial reporting?

644
00:38:15,160 --> 00:38:15,300
No.

645
00:38:15,360 --> 00:38:17,180
And you're hiding no information?

646
00:38:17,420 --> 00:38:17,700
Correct.

647
00:38:18,040 --> 00:38:18,240
Okay.

648
00:38:18,840 --> 00:38:22,700
Do you realise that the people are looking up to you, and they really, really feel let down with you?

649
00:38:23,120 --> 00:38:28,120
I don't know all these people are rubbing your shoulders and rubbing your hand, because I tell you one, if you came to County Loud, it would be the opposite.

650
00:38:29,000 --> 00:38:29,320
Loud.

651
00:38:29,320 --> 00:38:30,320
See the face.

652
00:38:30,320 --> 00:38:32,720
On the 3rd of March, you shut down talks of you leaving the Lit Lit Show.

653
00:38:33,140 --> 00:38:33,840
See the face.

654
00:38:33,840 --> 00:38:34,160
You had a cushion number.

655
00:38:34,580 --> 00:38:35,280
You were well liked.

656
00:38:35,700 --> 00:38:36,680
Nobody would give you a wimp.

657
00:38:37,360 --> 00:38:39,620
A week later, pressure started to be arsed.

658
00:38:39,860 --> 00:38:40,660
Look at that phone, look.

659
00:38:40,660 --> 00:38:41,380
It's on charge.

660
00:38:41,880 --> 00:38:42,680
It's precarious.

661
00:38:42,820 --> 00:38:47,220
You repeatedly stated this morning, Committee, that you were leaving the Lit Lit Show had nothing to do with this.

662
00:38:47,700 --> 00:38:49,300
As you put it, the current fiasco.

663
00:38:50,080 --> 00:38:52,920
You stated this time in the Simply Co-entrance.

664
00:38:53,260 --> 00:38:57,260
You stated in your statement that you first became aware of the Grand Tartan Review in May.

665
00:38:57,780 --> 00:38:58,380
It's just true.

666
00:38:59,700 --> 00:39:00,100
Deputy.

667
00:39:00,940 --> 00:39:01,820
I'm only asking a question.

668
00:39:02,020 --> 00:39:02,680
And I'm only answering.

669
00:39:02,920 --> 00:39:03,100
Yes.

670
00:39:03,220 --> 00:39:03,700
He's riled.

671
00:39:03,940 --> 00:39:04,480
He's riled.

672
00:39:04,660 --> 00:39:05,240
Let me tell you.

673
00:39:05,540 --> 00:39:06,260
He's fucking riled.

674
00:39:06,260 --> 00:39:06,640
You didn't.

675
00:39:08,060 --> 00:39:08,900
Let me tell you.

676
00:39:09,280 --> 00:39:09,560
Yeah.

677
00:39:10,200 --> 00:39:10,460
Yeah.

678
00:39:10,680 --> 00:39:11,040
Yeah.

679
00:39:11,600 --> 00:39:20,420
Your dismissal of the good people of Ireland who have the courtesy and the kindness to approach me on the street is not something I appreciate on their behalf.

680
00:39:20,580 --> 00:39:21,020
Secondly.

681
00:39:21,160 --> 00:39:21,760
They approach me too.

682
00:39:21,940 --> 00:39:22,220
Deputy.

683
00:39:22,880 --> 00:39:25,800
Secondly, I wish I'd brought them with me in some ways.

684
00:39:26,240 --> 00:39:33,340
The countless cards and letters I've received from people around the country speaking words of kindness and indeed wisdom.

685
00:39:33,340 --> 00:39:36,760
And I wouldn't like to dismiss their decency either.

686
00:39:37,680 --> 00:39:39,260
Thirdly, no.

687
00:39:40,380 --> 00:39:45,740
If you had been made aware, would you have stayed in your position until the end of the day?

688
00:39:45,740 --> 00:39:46,760
Columbus behaviour.

689
00:39:46,940 --> 00:39:47,700
Thank you very much.

690
00:39:47,840 --> 00:39:48,260
If you knew.

691
00:39:48,460 --> 00:39:48,780
If you didn't know.

692
00:39:48,780 --> 00:39:52,080
It is a hypothetical that is unbecoming.

693
00:39:52,280 --> 00:39:52,740
It's a question.

694
00:39:52,800 --> 00:39:53,400
It's a question.

695
00:39:53,560 --> 00:39:54,560
No, but I would also say.

696
00:39:55,540 --> 00:39:59,200
I get the sense that you choose not to believe my reason for leaving the legislature.

697
00:39:59,200 --> 00:40:00,740
I'm only asking a question for me to ask my people.

698
00:40:00,980 --> 00:40:01,480
I'm a deputy.

699
00:40:01,780 --> 00:40:01,980
Yeah.

700
00:40:02,200 --> 00:40:02,500
Please.

701
00:40:03,180 --> 00:40:04,360
I'm only answering your question.

702
00:40:04,360 --> 00:40:05,000
I have answered you.

703
00:40:05,320 --> 00:40:08,700
I have answered you quite clearly.

704
00:40:08,880 --> 00:40:09,700
That's the word no.

705
00:40:10,180 --> 00:40:13,780
And equally with my answer to you regarding the Late Late Show.

706
00:40:13,900 --> 00:40:15,160
If you choose not to believe me.

707
00:40:15,540 --> 00:40:21,400
I think that's a terrible pity because you live with a lack of truth then.

708
00:40:22,000 --> 00:40:25,000
If OTE were overstating the amount of money that we're paying you.

709
00:40:25,680 --> 00:40:26,000
I'm sorry.

710
00:40:26,000 --> 00:40:26,600
I can't hear you.

711
00:40:26,780 --> 00:40:28,980
If OTE were overstating the amount of money.

712
00:40:29,080 --> 00:40:30,100
He's using the whole.

713
00:40:30,220 --> 00:40:31,000
I can't hear you.

714
00:40:31,000 --> 00:40:31,400
I can't hear you.

715
00:40:32,220 --> 00:40:32,660
Sorry.

716
00:40:32,760 --> 00:40:33,580
I can't hear you.

717
00:40:34,040 --> 00:40:37,700
They're in like a quiet fucking acoustically optimized room.

718
00:40:38,280 --> 00:40:38,720
What?

719
00:40:39,640 --> 00:40:40,380
I'm sorry.

720
00:40:41,100 --> 00:40:41,300
No.

721
00:40:41,580 --> 00:40:42,120
Time's up.

722
00:40:42,360 --> 00:40:43,600
Gotta go guys.

723
00:40:44,000 --> 00:40:44,860
Coming up tonight.

724
00:40:46,740 --> 00:40:50,220
So would you be willing to be talking to overpayments to the public funds?

725
00:40:51,780 --> 00:40:53,180
You need to refer to the document.

726
00:40:53,180 --> 00:40:54,220
Oh thanks very much.

727
00:40:55,440 --> 00:40:56,440
Please answer the question.

728
00:40:57,440 --> 00:40:59,580
He's left his fucking phone on behind him.

729
00:40:59,660 --> 00:41:00,480
The politician look.

730
00:41:00,580 --> 00:41:01,640
It's getting notifications.

731
00:41:01,960 --> 00:41:04,980
By OTE because of their unfortunate account as the errors.

732
00:41:05,780 --> 00:41:06,480
I said over.

733
00:41:06,600 --> 00:41:08,840
I said if OTE were overstating the amount of money.

734
00:41:09,040 --> 00:41:10,920
And you knew they were overstating the amount of money.

735
00:41:11,300 --> 00:41:12,500
I'm asking you a question on the other side.

736
00:41:12,940 --> 00:41:14,040
In the public service.

737
00:41:14,460 --> 00:41:15,460
He's getting loads of messages.

738
00:41:15,760 --> 00:41:17,720
Any city that's overpayments is obliged to be talking to overpayments.

739
00:41:18,140 --> 00:41:19,960
Would you be willing to be talking to overpayments?

740
00:41:19,960 --> 00:41:22,520
The difficulty here is understatements.

741
00:41:24,380 --> 00:41:27,580
Did you have any other undisclosed commercial involvement with the third party?

742
00:41:29,260 --> 00:41:30,020
Again please.

743
00:41:30,540 --> 00:41:34,140
Did you have any other undisclosed commercial involvement with the third party?

744
00:41:34,240 --> 00:41:34,400
No.

745
00:41:34,700 --> 00:41:34,900
Okay.

746
00:41:36,440 --> 00:41:39,240
Did you really think that the people.

747
00:41:39,660 --> 00:41:40,400
The Reynolds deal.

748
00:41:41,040 --> 00:41:43,400
That people wouldn't think you're trying to avoid a pay cut.

749
00:41:43,660 --> 00:41:45,540
So people know about the Reynolds payment.

750
00:41:45,620 --> 00:41:48,280
Do you honestly think that people don't think one and one is two?

751
00:41:49,280 --> 00:41:57,840
I think that the nature of an independent contractor signing a deal with a different company is pretty complicated.

752
00:41:57,960 --> 00:42:00,920
To be honest with you I'm not a very smart man when it comes to these things.

753
00:42:01,160 --> 00:42:03,520
That's why I pay a smart man to do that for me.

754
00:42:03,880 --> 00:42:06,940
So you'll have to forgive me for not having a great grasp of the detail here.

755
00:42:06,940 --> 00:42:11,280
But I never set out to cause any confusion to anyone at any time.

756
00:42:11,400 --> 00:42:11,580
Ever.

757
00:42:12,620 --> 00:42:16,660
I never underestimate the intelligence and the decency of the Irish people.

758
00:42:17,120 --> 00:42:27,140
Well it is difficult for the Irish people to reconcile that the Reynolds deal was an entirely separate arrangement when it was formed part of the 2020 contract negotiation.

759
00:42:28,300 --> 00:42:29,700
What gives rise to Dee Forbes?

760
00:42:29,900 --> 00:42:31,800
She'll be side note on the 19th December.

761
00:42:32,600 --> 00:42:35,680
Did you make a threat that you're going to walk with your job?

762
00:42:36,100 --> 00:42:40,060
At the time through your weekly radio shows and as a presenter of the flagship show.

763
00:42:40,060 --> 00:42:40,920
Thank you very much.

764
00:42:40,920 --> 00:42:46,980
Andy the Fork thank you very much.

765
00:42:47,520 --> 00:42:48,960
Under severe financial pressure.

766
00:42:49,580 --> 00:42:51,780
Did you leverage this fact and did you pressure...

767
00:42:51,780 --> 00:42:55,060
And Tubbs as well says zoom in on my face again and I'll burst you.

768
00:42:55,960 --> 00:42:56,800
It never come up.

769
00:42:57,100 --> 00:42:59,220
I didn't negotiate with the Director General Deputy.

770
00:42:59,300 --> 00:43:00,260
It's not me doing it.

771
00:43:00,340 --> 00:43:01,740
I gave them back money as it happens.

772
00:43:01,960 --> 00:43:03,460
No luck fill you in on that if you wish to hear.

773
00:43:03,460 --> 00:43:04,180
Oh look who it is.

774
00:43:04,180 --> 00:43:06,280
He's going to really go to town.

775
00:43:06,440 --> 00:43:06,700
Let's book.

776
00:43:06,780 --> 00:43:09,620
You're putting sole blame on OTE regarding this fiasco.

777
00:43:10,360 --> 00:43:21,980
Why did you ask OTE, a public body, to guarantee payments due from Reynolds, a substantial private company, to have rank-tumbly commercial obligations underwritten with taxpayers' money?

778
00:43:22,960 --> 00:43:29,280
Mr Tubbs always said in the show, we're all in it together and this money is public money.

779
00:43:30,560 --> 00:43:32,120
Do you think this is unacceptable?

780
00:43:32,120 --> 00:43:38,480
So firstly, the agreement with Renault is with RTE.

781
00:43:39,180 --> 00:43:42,760
In relation to public money we were paid by Renault.

782
00:43:43,420 --> 00:43:44,420
Our understanding...

783
00:43:44,420 --> 00:43:45,520
So you were paid by OTE?

784
00:43:45,840 --> 00:43:46,800
No, we were paid by Renault.

785
00:43:47,080 --> 00:43:47,940
We were paid by Renault.

786
00:43:48,420 --> 00:43:50,240
And then we were paid by Astus.

787
00:43:50,960 --> 00:43:54,120
And we understood that Astus was involved with Renault.

788
00:43:54,120 --> 00:43:59,820
So at all times we were actually on construction from RTE.

789
00:44:01,300 --> 00:44:03,160
The relationship with Renault is with RTE.

790
00:44:03,400 --> 00:44:04,020
It's not with us.

791
00:44:05,480 --> 00:44:14,160
RTE rejects the claim that incorrect versions of events were presented to New Yorkers there last week regarding the RTE agreement to underwrite payments.

792
00:44:14,720 --> 00:44:17,400
Within your pack you provided email evidence to prove your point.

793
00:44:18,220 --> 00:44:19,440
Casey, thank you very much.

794
00:44:19,520 --> 00:44:20,160
I'm sure you know that.

795
00:44:20,300 --> 00:44:20,520
Sure.

796
00:44:20,780 --> 00:44:23,480
The position of either party could easily change in minutes or days.

797
00:44:23,900 --> 00:44:25,800
Can you show us the actual contract?

798
00:44:27,200 --> 00:44:28,340
So the contract...

799
00:44:28,340 --> 00:44:29,600
Do you have an actual contract?

800
00:44:38,220 --> 00:44:39,640
Exactly what contract?

801
00:44:39,820 --> 00:44:41,540
Blackboard Jungle, confer.

802
00:44:43,620 --> 00:44:47,000
You're saying that you had agreement by an email, right?

803
00:44:47,260 --> 00:44:49,200
I'm saying do you actually have a physical contract?

804
00:44:49,860 --> 00:44:52,100
You know what...

805
00:44:52,100 --> 00:44:52,880
Sorry, sorry, sorry.

806
00:44:53,020 --> 00:44:54,320
Do you have a contract?

807
00:44:54,460 --> 00:44:54,940
I appreciate it, sorry.

808
00:44:56,980 --> 00:44:58,880
As you said...

809
00:44:58,880 --> 00:44:59,760
Yes or no?

810
00:44:59,840 --> 00:45:00,360
Do you have a contract?

811
00:45:01,200 --> 00:45:01,480
We...

812
00:45:01,480 --> 00:45:01,980
We...

813
00:45:01,980 --> 00:45:02,980
We...

814
00:45:02,980 --> 00:45:03,400
For it.

815
00:45:04,100 --> 00:45:04,640
I'm sorry.

816
00:45:04,700 --> 00:45:05,380
I don't mean to flushing you.

817
00:45:05,520 --> 00:45:05,840
Sorry.

818
00:45:07,360 --> 00:45:11,660
We're dealing with a 350 million euro operation, RT.

819
00:45:11,880 --> 00:45:12,260
Huge.

820
00:45:13,320 --> 00:45:17,940
I, at any time, would just assume that they knew what they were doing.

821
00:45:18,260 --> 00:45:19,520
We have a contract.

822
00:45:20,080 --> 00:45:25,840
The email from the CFO confirms that this is their position.

823
00:45:26,340 --> 00:45:28,100
And again, there's no secret.

824
00:45:28,280 --> 00:45:29,160
There was no secret.

825
00:45:29,920 --> 00:45:32,700
And then Dee Forbes verbally said that they would honour the contract.

826
00:45:32,840 --> 00:45:34,280
All we wanted them to honour was...

827
00:45:34,280 --> 00:45:35,880
We never thought that RT would ever pay this.

828
00:45:35,980 --> 00:45:36,700
Ever, ever, ever.

829
00:45:37,160 --> 00:45:39,680
All we wanted them to do is if the sponsor changed,

830
00:45:40,040 --> 00:45:43,300
that we would be able to have an interaction with the sponsor.

831
00:45:43,300 --> 00:45:47,080
Because the relationship with the sponsor and RT, that's the relationship.

832
00:45:47,600 --> 00:45:48,880
So we needed to...

833
00:45:48,880 --> 00:45:53,800
If the sponsor changed, that we could renegotiate and rework what they may want to do.

834
00:45:54,160 --> 00:45:54,560
That was all.

835
00:45:55,200 --> 00:45:57,660
Mr. Huxtable there saying that the...

836
00:45:57,660 --> 00:45:59,960
It's Renault that keep on sending your man messages.

837
00:46:00,040 --> 00:46:02,380
You're a very, very successful negotiator.

838
00:46:02,600 --> 00:46:04,440
And three of your top talent is an OTE.

839
00:46:05,400 --> 00:46:06,980
Why was this not questioned?

840
00:46:07,700 --> 00:46:09,960
Neither of you are consultancies.

841
00:46:10,500 --> 00:46:12,940
If OTE told you to invoice a company you never heard of,

842
00:46:13,180 --> 00:46:14,400
why did you not question this?

843
00:46:14,600 --> 00:46:15,660
It makes no sense.

844
00:46:16,540 --> 00:46:19,680
I suppose it's obvious now.

845
00:46:19,780 --> 00:46:22,160
But at the time, we were just acting under instruction.

846
00:46:22,280 --> 00:46:23,640
We had been working with them for 23 years.

847
00:46:23,840 --> 00:46:29,600
I never saw any reason why RTE would be doing anything deceptive.

848
00:46:29,640 --> 00:46:30,040
Why would you?

849
00:46:30,040 --> 00:46:31,000
The national broadcaster.

850
00:46:31,360 --> 00:46:33,480
I'd listen and look and pay my licence like everybody else.

851
00:46:33,560 --> 00:46:34,020
Why would you?

852
00:46:34,120 --> 00:46:34,360
Honestly.

853
00:46:35,360 --> 00:46:35,640
Honestly.

854
00:46:37,480 --> 00:46:42,540
Do you have a relationship with the incoming Director General Kevin Blackheart?

855
00:46:42,540 --> 00:46:47,060
Since he previously sailed as a Deputy Director General.

856
00:46:47,200 --> 00:46:48,060
Do you have a relationship with him?

857
00:46:48,160 --> 00:46:49,600
I would have met him a couple of times.

858
00:46:49,920 --> 00:46:50,500
But the same.

859
00:46:50,640 --> 00:46:52,860
That is a total and absolute lie.

860
00:46:53,220 --> 00:46:55,680
No, but as I said, I wouldn't have...

861
00:46:55,680 --> 00:46:57,780
I don't have relationships with these people.

862
00:46:58,100 --> 00:47:01,700
We meet them with their lawyers, with their accountants, in their boardrooms.

863
00:47:02,700 --> 00:47:03,740
I don't have...

864
00:47:03,740 --> 00:47:05,220
I haven't had a cup of tea with them.

865
00:47:05,300 --> 00:47:06,120
I haven't had...

866
00:47:06,120 --> 00:47:07,120
You hammered your mother.

867
00:47:07,460 --> 00:47:08,620
These are just...

868
00:47:08,620 --> 00:47:15,800
These are people that you meet in the main tower in RTE when you're negotiating contracts.

869
00:47:15,920 --> 00:47:16,300
But I don't know...

870
00:47:16,300 --> 00:47:16,840
Game boy.

871
00:47:17,060 --> 00:47:17,900
They're not my friends.

872
00:47:18,080 --> 00:47:18,740
I don't know them.

873
00:47:19,320 --> 00:47:20,520
Don't you have a life?

874
00:47:21,720 --> 00:47:27,200
You docu-c signed the tripod contract, which was provided last week on behalf of Ryan Tuppity,

875
00:47:27,400 --> 00:47:29,200
on the 23rd of April this year.

876
00:47:29,960 --> 00:47:33,980
It is almost as if someone found out that the orders had discovered the unreported payments

877
00:47:33,980 --> 00:47:35,000
to Mr Tuppity.

878
00:47:35,660 --> 00:47:45,920
This is a lot better than the one earlier on.

879
00:47:46,620 --> 00:47:47,500
They're on the ropes.

880
00:47:47,960 --> 00:47:48,600
They're sweating.

881
00:47:48,760 --> 00:47:49,460
They're conferring.

882
00:47:50,300 --> 00:47:50,900
They're whispering.

883
00:47:51,460 --> 00:47:53,500
Two people seeing the jump ship at the same time, right?

884
00:47:54,420 --> 00:47:55,740
It's that coincidence as well.

885
00:47:55,840 --> 00:47:56,820
Everything seems to be a coincidence.

886
00:47:57,060 --> 00:47:58,380
Sorry, who's...

887
00:47:58,380 --> 00:47:59,840
I'll read the question again here, right?

888
00:48:01,060 --> 00:48:01,780
Who's jumping ship?

889
00:48:01,780 --> 00:48:01,940
Sorry.

890
00:48:02,260 --> 00:48:03,060
Who's jump ship?

891
00:48:03,380 --> 00:48:03,800
Sorry, sorry.

892
00:48:04,880 --> 00:48:06,760
Last week, people were jumping ship.

893
00:48:07,240 --> 00:48:07,540
Oh, from...

894
00:48:07,540 --> 00:48:08,340
I feel as though...

895
00:48:08,340 --> 00:48:08,880
From OTE?

896
00:48:09,160 --> 00:48:09,400
Yes.

897
00:48:10,700 --> 00:48:12,440
No, I think he means from their client.

898
00:48:13,820 --> 00:48:15,160
I feel as though that, like,

899
00:48:15,700 --> 00:48:19,340
Ryan Tuppity and Defoe have seen the jump ship at the same time, right?

900
00:48:19,660 --> 00:48:22,040
So I'm saying it's that coincidence as well.

901
00:48:23,100 --> 00:48:23,920
I wasn't jumping ship.

902
00:48:24,100 --> 00:48:24,400
I'm still...

903
00:48:24,400 --> 00:48:26,540
Ryan's still under contract.

904
00:48:26,940 --> 00:48:28,120
Sorry, he's not under contract.

905
00:48:28,420 --> 00:48:29,120
He is under contract.

906
00:48:29,520 --> 00:48:29,760
Fuck.

907
00:48:29,760 --> 00:48:30,020
His contract is...

908
00:48:30,020 --> 00:48:31,040
Mr Tuppity's contract...

909
00:48:31,040 --> 00:48:34,080
Richard Bad Boyd, thank you very much.

910
00:48:34,120 --> 00:48:35,760
Are you ready for me to grill these two?

911
00:48:37,080 --> 00:48:39,440
Sorry about my mic coming in hot there.

912
00:48:39,520 --> 00:48:40,700
Hopefully I didn't blow your ears off.

913
00:48:41,260 --> 00:48:41,960
Thanks, Richard.

914
00:48:42,440 --> 00:48:43,580
Bad Boyd Barrett.

915
00:48:43,740 --> 00:48:45,620
Yeah, renegotiate for radio only services,

916
00:48:45,760 --> 00:48:47,060
but the contract still stands.

917
00:48:47,160 --> 00:48:47,940
The contract is...

918
00:48:47,940 --> 00:48:48,580
Yeah, so...

919
00:48:48,580 --> 00:48:49,920
So the money you're getting at the moment

920
00:48:49,920 --> 00:48:51,180
is just for the radio station?

921
00:48:51,620 --> 00:48:53,180
That's my understanding of it, yes.

922
00:48:53,200 --> 00:48:53,380
No, sorry.

923
00:48:53,860 --> 00:48:55,180
You don't know what you're getting paid, no?

924
00:48:55,500 --> 00:48:57,120
I mean, Deputy, it's been a long three weeks,

925
00:48:57,300 --> 00:48:58,220
as I have to say.

926
00:48:58,340 --> 00:48:58,880
And I do know...

927
00:48:58,880 --> 00:48:59,700
You know what I'm getting paid.

928
00:48:59,700 --> 00:49:00,620
It's written in my contract.

929
00:49:00,720 --> 00:49:01,740
I'm here today to tell you that.

930
00:49:01,740 --> 00:49:04,120
But it is being currently,

931
00:49:04,640 --> 00:49:05,540
as Noel will tell you,

932
00:49:05,840 --> 00:49:06,700
it's being currently...

933
00:49:06,700 --> 00:49:08,080
They've suspended the negotiation.

934
00:49:08,620 --> 00:49:10,480
So that's why we're in a bit of abeyance at the moment

935
00:49:10,480 --> 00:49:11,180
until I'm told,

936
00:49:11,560 --> 00:49:12,600
as I said to you a minute ago,

937
00:49:12,640 --> 00:49:14,180
I could be out of a job on Friday

938
00:49:14,180 --> 00:49:16,380
or I could be back to work next Monday.

939
00:49:16,380 --> 00:49:17,600
So it's a sort of possibility

940
00:49:17,600 --> 00:49:19,580
that you could still be getting paid for the late-laced show.

941
00:49:19,760 --> 00:49:20,380
Oh, no, no, no.

942
00:49:20,380 --> 00:49:20,980
Not the late-laced show.

943
00:49:20,980 --> 00:49:21,240
Not the slightest.

944
00:49:21,480 --> 00:49:21,800
No, sorry.

945
00:49:21,900 --> 00:49:22,400
Not the slightest.

946
00:49:22,580 --> 00:49:23,100
So at the moment,

947
00:49:23,240 --> 00:49:25,160
all you're getting paid is for the radio station?

948
00:49:25,340 --> 00:49:26,100
Well, that's my understanding.

949
00:49:26,360 --> 00:49:26,560
Yes.

950
00:49:26,720 --> 00:49:28,580
TV services are finished.

951
00:49:28,900 --> 00:49:30,440
They finished at the last night of the show,

952
00:49:30,520 --> 00:49:31,340
which would have been in May.

953
00:49:31,840 --> 00:49:32,040
Absolutely.

954
00:49:32,480 --> 00:49:33,760
And to conclude...

955
00:49:33,760 --> 00:49:34,800
Just one second.

956
00:49:35,020 --> 00:49:35,240
No, sorry.

957
00:49:35,360 --> 00:49:35,360
No, sorry.

958
00:49:35,440 --> 00:49:35,940
No, sorry.

959
00:49:35,940 --> 00:49:36,300
Listen,

960
00:49:37,140 --> 00:49:38,180
I'm asking the questions

961
00:49:38,180 --> 00:49:40,720
that the people who put me in a job is here, right?

962
00:49:41,020 --> 00:49:42,880
People are very, very disappointed with you, right?

963
00:49:43,240 --> 00:49:44,040
And in fairness,

964
00:49:44,360 --> 00:49:45,440
I will put my hand up and say,

965
00:49:45,560 --> 00:49:46,840
fair play to you as coming here today.

966
00:49:47,320 --> 00:49:48,320
Like, you didn't have to come in here today,

967
00:49:48,380 --> 00:49:49,600
but you did come in here to ask the questions.

968
00:49:50,080 --> 00:49:50,900
But I'm just trying to say that

969
00:49:50,900 --> 00:49:52,180
people just want to know the truth

970
00:49:52,180 --> 00:49:53,300
of what's actually happening at the moment is.

971
00:49:54,060 --> 00:49:55,920
Sorry, last week and the week before,

972
00:49:56,160 --> 00:49:57,500
we seem to be told lies.

973
00:49:57,920 --> 00:49:59,160
All I'm hoping for is that

974
00:49:59,160 --> 00:50:01,120
the information that we got today from 40 years

975
00:50:01,120 --> 00:50:01,600
is the truth.

976
00:50:01,980 --> 00:50:02,780
And if it is the truth,

977
00:50:02,840 --> 00:50:03,620
we'll all put our hands up.

978
00:50:03,880 --> 00:50:05,080
But I'm just saying that the public...

979
00:50:05,080 --> 00:50:06,200
Thank you for the reason.

980
00:50:06,480 --> 00:50:07,760
It's Patrick, may ask it to be heard.

981
00:50:07,760 --> 00:50:08,060
And what I'm sorry is,

982
00:50:08,200 --> 00:50:09,140
it's the public money.

983
00:50:09,680 --> 00:50:12,440
It's this money that people are really sad over.

984
00:50:12,680 --> 00:50:13,460
Mr. Doberty,

985
00:50:13,680 --> 00:50:14,740
you're the one that kept mentioning

986
00:50:14,740 --> 00:50:15,640
the cost of living and living.

987
00:50:15,740 --> 00:50:17,060
You're the one in the programme.

988
00:50:17,460 --> 00:50:18,540
We all are in this together.

989
00:50:18,560 --> 00:50:19,120
It doesn't change how I felt.

990
00:50:19,620 --> 00:50:20,720
Thank you, Deputy Fitzpatrick.

991
00:50:20,780 --> 00:50:21,400
Can I move on?

992
00:50:22,120 --> 00:50:23,720
I love your county very much.

993
00:50:24,040 --> 00:50:25,720
See the way you feel.

994
00:50:26,060 --> 00:50:27,500
There's millions of people in Ireland feel rough.

995
00:50:27,820 --> 00:50:28,380
Fucking hell.

996
00:50:29,160 --> 00:50:30,400
Deputy Griffin, the floor is yours.

997
00:50:30,540 --> 00:50:31,080
Thanks very much.

998
00:50:31,320 --> 00:50:33,080
And thanks, Mr. Doberty and Mr. Doberty,

999
00:50:33,080 --> 00:50:34,720
for volunteering to come in.

1000
00:50:34,800 --> 00:50:36,360
And I think it's important that that's stressed as well

1001
00:50:36,360 --> 00:50:39,100
because this is very much forming a part,

1002
00:50:39,220 --> 00:50:40,860
particularly your appearance here, Mr. Doberty,

1003
00:50:40,940 --> 00:50:43,000
in terms of trying to rebuild confidence

1004
00:50:43,000 --> 00:50:44,060
in the national broadcaster.

1005
00:50:44,340 --> 00:50:45,060
For many people,

1006
00:50:45,180 --> 00:50:46,740
you personify RTE.

1007
00:50:48,020 --> 00:50:49,740
And as we saw when you were finishing up

1008
00:50:49,740 --> 00:50:50,360
the Late Late Show,

1009
00:50:50,420 --> 00:50:52,000
there was a massive outpouring of appreciation

1010
00:50:52,000 --> 00:50:52,900
for the job you did.

1011
00:50:53,140 --> 00:50:54,400
Over the last 14 years,

1012
00:50:54,540 --> 00:50:55,800
you would have received hundreds,

1013
00:50:55,940 --> 00:50:56,900
probably thousands of pieces

1014
00:50:56,900 --> 00:50:58,100
of messages, correspondence.

1015
00:50:58,280 --> 00:50:58,940
I was one of the people

1016
00:50:58,940 --> 00:51:00,100
who dropped you a note at the time

1017
00:51:00,100 --> 00:51:01,500
to wish you well in the future.

1018
00:51:02,220 --> 00:51:03,420
But people looking in now,

1019
00:51:03,520 --> 00:51:05,500
that confidence has been rattled.

1020
00:51:05,740 --> 00:51:05,920
Yes.

1021
00:51:05,920 --> 00:51:07,960
So today's hearing is very important

1022
00:51:07,960 --> 00:51:09,100
in terms of establishing the facts.

1023
00:51:09,180 --> 00:51:10,280
And that's what we're trying to do here.

1024
00:51:10,380 --> 00:51:10,580
Yes.

1025
00:51:10,640 --> 00:51:11,640
No one's out to get anyone.

1026
00:51:11,780 --> 00:51:13,340
We want to establish the true facts

1027
00:51:13,340 --> 00:51:14,840
for the people of this country.

1028
00:51:14,840 --> 00:51:17,380
So to get a little bit further along the road,

1029
00:51:17,500 --> 00:51:17,860
Mr. Kelly,

1030
00:51:17,980 --> 00:51:21,620
I want to know more about the type of relationship

1031
00:51:21,620 --> 00:51:24,020
that you have and have had

1032
00:51:24,020 --> 00:51:28,060
with RTE executives over the past number of years.

1033
00:51:28,180 --> 00:51:29,040
How would you describe it?

1034
00:51:29,180 --> 00:51:29,800
Would it be healthy?

1035
00:51:29,940 --> 00:51:30,740
Would it be...

1036
00:51:30,740 --> 00:51:32,180
It would always be healthy

1037
00:51:32,180 --> 00:51:33,880
and it would always be frank.

1038
00:51:34,240 --> 00:51:37,240
It's RTE's job to get the best deal they can.

1039
00:51:37,620 --> 00:51:40,180
It's my job to get the best deal that I can.

1040
00:51:40,340 --> 00:51:41,700
Would there be executives afraid of you?

1041
00:51:41,840 --> 00:51:42,240
Would you say?

1042
00:51:42,580 --> 00:51:43,700
How could you be afraid of me?

1043
00:51:44,160 --> 00:51:44,600
Like, honestly,

1044
00:51:44,820 --> 00:51:46,800
it's five foot six me.

1045
00:51:47,340 --> 00:51:48,780
No, and look,

1046
00:51:48,800 --> 00:51:49,580
over the last two weeks,

1047
00:51:49,660 --> 00:51:51,960
all sorts of pictures are painted.

1048
00:51:53,260 --> 00:51:56,100
But I'm here to work on behalf of my clients.

1049
00:51:56,100 --> 00:51:57,440
Did you ever threaten to sue RTE in the past?

1050
00:51:57,980 --> 00:51:58,380
Sue them?

1051
00:51:58,600 --> 00:51:58,780
Yeah.

1052
00:51:59,060 --> 00:51:59,280
No.

1053
00:51:59,680 --> 00:52:01,140
I'll fucking sue you.

1054
00:52:01,720 --> 00:52:03,480
I'll fucking sue you.

1055
00:52:03,540 --> 00:52:04,880
Surrounding Operation Transformation.

1056
00:52:05,080 --> 00:52:06,040
Oh, Operation Transformation.

1057
00:52:06,240 --> 00:52:09,800
That was an independent production company.

1058
00:52:09,920 --> 00:52:10,740
It wasn't RTE.

1059
00:52:10,900 --> 00:52:12,960
But did you pitch the idea to RTE first?

1060
00:52:13,200 --> 00:52:13,520
Yes.

1061
00:52:13,840 --> 00:52:16,420
And did you subsequently threaten the legal action?

1062
00:52:16,920 --> 00:52:17,180
No.

1063
00:52:19,220 --> 00:52:20,260
I, Lord Reston,

1064
00:52:20,540 --> 00:52:21,660
we worked with Gerry Ryan.

1065
00:52:22,340 --> 00:52:25,700
And Gerry Ryan's radio show figures,

1066
00:52:26,080 --> 00:52:28,200
the measure for radio figures is JNLR.

1067
00:52:28,740 --> 00:52:29,620
And when they go down,

1068
00:52:29,620 --> 00:52:31,140
and it's really people in,

1069
00:52:31,220 --> 00:52:31,620
I suppose,

1070
00:52:31,700 --> 00:52:32,080
radio land,

1071
00:52:32,120 --> 00:52:32,540
when they go down,

1072
00:52:32,600 --> 00:52:32,700
they go,

1073
00:52:32,740 --> 00:52:33,140
oh my goodness,

1074
00:52:33,200 --> 00:52:33,600
they're down,

1075
00:52:33,680 --> 00:52:34,240
and what do you do?

1076
00:52:34,600 --> 00:52:35,380
If they go down,

1077
00:52:35,760 --> 00:52:35,980
say,

1078
00:52:36,040 --> 00:52:38,360
two or three times over a 12-month period,

1079
00:52:38,640 --> 00:52:39,580
your job's under threat.

1080
00:52:40,080 --> 00:52:40,420
Like,

1081
00:52:40,480 --> 00:52:40,720
literally,

1082
00:52:41,020 --> 00:52:42,140
and you're an independent contractor.

1083
00:52:42,200 --> 00:52:43,440
You didn't threaten to sue them?

1084
00:52:43,760 --> 00:52:43,980
No,

1085
00:52:44,180 --> 00:52:44,360
no,

1086
00:52:44,360 --> 00:52:45,520
but what I did was,

1087
00:52:45,760 --> 00:52:48,220
we had come up with the idea of Operation Transformation for Gerry,

1088
00:52:48,800 --> 00:52:52,480
and an independent production company tried to say that it was their idea.

1089
00:52:52,980 --> 00:52:55,100
How did you settle the issue with RTE?

1090
00:52:55,320 --> 00:52:55,960
How did it finish?

1091
00:52:56,220 --> 00:52:58,160
We settled with the production company.

1092
00:52:58,640 --> 00:52:59,260
The production company?

1093
00:52:59,260 --> 00:52:59,420
Yeah,

1094
00:52:59,800 --> 00:53:02,380
because I think it's a wonderful program,

1095
00:53:02,740 --> 00:53:04,300
and I wanted it to be out on RTE.

1096
00:53:04,300 --> 00:53:04,800
How was the figure?

1097
00:53:05,480 --> 00:53:05,780
Oh,

1098
00:53:05,780 --> 00:53:07,080
it wasn't very much.

1099
00:53:07,160 --> 00:53:07,400
Okay,

1100
00:53:07,800 --> 00:53:08,140
was it,

1101
00:53:08,420 --> 00:53:08,640
I mean,

1102
00:53:08,660 --> 00:53:09,600
are we talking five figures,

1103
00:53:09,760 --> 00:53:10,180
are we talking?

1104
00:53:11,020 --> 00:53:11,700
It's not relevant.

1105
00:53:11,840 --> 00:53:12,320
Six figures?

1106
00:53:12,340 --> 00:53:12,580
It's not relevant.

1107
00:53:12,580 --> 00:53:13,140
I think it is,

1108
00:53:13,460 --> 00:53:14,300
because I want to establish,

1109
00:53:14,600 --> 00:53:16,500
what was the feeling around RTE,

1110
00:53:16,640 --> 00:53:17,420
when they're dealing with you,

1111
00:53:17,580 --> 00:53:19,000
that these are the types of things that can happen?

1112
00:53:21,860 --> 00:53:22,260
Yeah.

1113
00:53:23,420 --> 00:53:23,780
It's a,

1114
00:53:24,000 --> 00:53:25,840
there was a confidentiality agreement in it.

1115
00:53:26,200 --> 00:53:26,780
It is relevant,

1116
00:53:26,880 --> 00:53:27,000
though.

1117
00:53:27,560 --> 00:53:28,580
Could I just ask you,

1118
00:53:28,580 --> 00:53:30,820
That is a total and absolute lie.

1119
00:53:30,960 --> 00:53:32,640
The tripartite deal,

1120
00:53:32,820 --> 00:53:35,540
that had nothing to do with Ryan's new contract for TV and radio services,

1121
00:53:35,920 --> 00:53:36,760
and Reno were paying it,

1122
00:53:36,760 --> 00:53:39,260
so it was just a coincidence of timing,

1123
00:53:39,360 --> 00:53:39,740
is that right?

1124
00:53:40,140 --> 00:53:40,320
Yeah.

1125
00:53:40,740 --> 00:53:41,040
Okay.

1126
00:53:41,200 --> 00:53:41,820
And again,

1127
00:53:41,860 --> 00:53:43,180
it was instigated by RTE.

1128
00:53:43,200 --> 00:53:45,260
You can understand why people might find that hard to believe,

1129
00:53:45,400 --> 00:53:46,880
but it is coincidence that's happened.

1130
00:53:47,580 --> 00:53:49,020
On page five of the document packed today,

1131
00:53:49,120 --> 00:53:54,260
then it's clear that the 75,000 of guaranteed commercial income was baked in from the very start,

1132
00:53:54,340 --> 00:53:54,480
really,

1133
00:53:54,540 --> 00:53:54,940
wasn't it?

1134
00:53:55,260 --> 00:53:55,660
Again,

1135
00:53:55,760 --> 00:53:56,260
from RTE.

1136
00:53:56,720 --> 00:53:57,000
Okay.

1137
00:53:57,460 --> 00:54:03,640
So you're saying to me that they came up with this completely on their side only.

1138
00:54:03,820 --> 00:54:03,920
Yeah.

1139
00:54:03,920 --> 00:54:06,640
You never solicited anything of the sort.

1140
00:54:07,160 --> 00:54:07,340
No.

1141
00:54:07,680 --> 00:54:07,800
I mean,

1142
00:54:07,940 --> 00:54:09,880
Ryan had been doing the show for quite a while,

1143
00:54:10,380 --> 00:54:11,380
and I'm assuming,

1144
00:54:11,500 --> 00:54:12,900
when RTE wanted to do it,

1145
00:54:13,020 --> 00:54:16,240
I can only assume that they wanted to keep the sponsor locked in for the next five years,

1146
00:54:16,300 --> 00:54:18,080
so this be a way that they could actually do that.

1147
00:54:18,360 --> 00:54:18,540
Okay.

1148
00:54:18,900 --> 00:54:19,260
Ryan,

1149
00:54:19,340 --> 00:54:20,020
can I just ask you,

1150
00:54:20,280 --> 00:54:20,920
pre-2020,

1151
00:54:21,380 --> 00:54:23,760
were you doing things for Reno at that stage?

1152
00:54:24,420 --> 00:54:25,760
Official RTE spokesman,

1153
00:54:25,760 --> 00:54:26,500
thank you very much.

1154
00:54:26,500 --> 00:54:26,700
I'm not going to say that.

1155
00:54:26,700 --> 00:54:27,360
I'm not going to say that.

1156
00:54:27,360 --> 00:54:28,040
I'm not going to say that.

1157
00:54:28,040 --> 00:54:28,600
I don't think so.

1158
00:54:28,880 --> 00:54:29,160
Okay.

1159
00:54:30,800 --> 00:54:31,780
Could I just go back to you,

1160
00:54:31,820 --> 00:54:32,160
Mr Kelly,

1161
00:54:32,260 --> 00:54:32,420
then,

1162
00:54:32,500 --> 00:54:34,880
in relation to the VAT rate that you received for the services?

1163
00:54:35,040 --> 00:54:36,400
Was it a 0% VAT rate,

1164
00:54:37,040 --> 00:54:38,380
or was it 23%?

1165
00:54:38,480 --> 00:54:44,360
0% would be applicable to the UK, whereas 23% would be the rate if it was paid by RTE.

1166
00:54:45,000 --> 00:54:45,400
So...

1167
00:54:45,400 --> 00:54:49,640
Yes. Yes. Yes. Yes.

1168
00:54:50,300 --> 00:54:53,260
Whatever the applicable rate was that we were told to put on it by RTE.

1169
00:54:53,780 --> 00:54:55,840
So was it 0% or 23%?

1170
00:54:56,160 --> 00:54:57,460
I honestly...

1171
00:54:57,460 --> 00:54:58,360
Why did you say it?

1172
00:54:59,280 --> 00:55:00,120
Zero. Zero.

1173
00:55:00,120 --> 00:55:00,600
Zero. It's UK.

1174
00:55:00,760 --> 00:55:03,800
And could I just ask then as well,

1175
00:55:04,120 --> 00:55:10,640
could you explain to me, last week when Geraldine O'Leary was here,

1176
00:55:11,180 --> 00:55:14,700
in year two, quote, in year two, two weeks ago, I had no involvement.

1177
00:55:14,940 --> 00:55:15,600
There was no payment.

1178
00:55:15,720 --> 00:55:19,460
In year three, I was advised by the Director General that there was pressure to pay.

1179
00:55:20,020 --> 00:55:20,800
Thanks very much.

1180
00:55:21,100 --> 00:55:23,600
I did not understand at the time they were underwritten by RTE.

1181
00:55:23,600 --> 00:55:24,800
I played football with that.

1182
00:55:24,800 --> 00:55:27,900
I was asked to lead the Nodgallie Management to raise the invoices to the Barter account.

1183
00:55:28,480 --> 00:55:30,900
And there's reference to that then as well, that between the 13th,

1184
00:55:30,960 --> 00:55:34,720
in the Grand Thornton Report, 13th to the 29th of March, 2022,

1185
00:55:35,300 --> 00:55:39,400
communications between agents and Ryan Torbertoe chasing payment on foot

1186
00:55:39,400 --> 00:55:40,940
of the underwriting of the commercial agreement,

1187
00:55:41,400 --> 00:55:43,520
notwithstanding the ceasing of the tripartite agreement,

1188
00:55:43,680 --> 00:55:47,940
RT had a contractual obligation to make two payments of £75,000.

1189
00:55:48,800 --> 00:55:50,680
So who's telling...

1190
00:55:50,680 --> 00:55:52,220
Who's telling lies, lads?

1191
00:55:52,360 --> 00:55:53,300
Who's telling the truth?

1192
00:55:53,320 --> 00:55:54,940
Those versions of events are at odds with each other.

1193
00:55:54,940 --> 00:55:56,060
We want some...

1194
00:55:56,060 --> 00:55:58,620
You better fucking start telling them some answers, lads.

1195
00:55:58,620 --> 00:56:02,960
What we're told to you is that there was communications between yourselves and RT

1196
00:56:02,960 --> 00:56:05,580
about chasing up the £150,000.

1197
00:56:06,220 --> 00:56:11,860
Someone better fucking start talking to, lads.

1198
00:56:12,240 --> 00:56:12,640
Exactly.

1199
00:56:13,200 --> 00:56:16,060
I think it was funny that this...

1200
00:56:16,060 --> 00:56:19,360
Why would you go to RT for in-over the people who were supposed to be there?

1201
00:56:19,360 --> 00:56:22,420
Because we were asked to send the invoices to RTE.

1202
00:56:22,420 --> 00:56:24,300
Again, this was RTE.

1203
00:56:24,860 --> 00:56:28,180
Did you ever contact with anyone in Renault about the deal?

1204
00:56:28,580 --> 00:56:28,780
No.

1205
00:56:29,160 --> 00:56:33,020
Apart from the actual activation itself, what would we like to set up...

1206
00:56:33,020 --> 00:56:35,800
Did anyone in Renault tell you that they were no longer paying the money?

1207
00:56:36,040 --> 00:56:36,300
No.

1208
00:56:36,660 --> 00:56:36,860
No.

1209
00:56:37,100 --> 00:56:38,060
No one's calling in Renault?

1210
00:56:38,440 --> 00:56:38,540
No.

1211
00:56:38,540 --> 00:56:38,940
If I'm doing that.

1212
00:56:39,160 --> 00:56:39,900
No, Mr. Topperdy.

1213
00:56:40,760 --> 00:56:41,060
No one.

1214
00:56:41,640 --> 00:56:41,800
Okay.

1215
00:56:42,200 --> 00:56:42,700
What's that?

1216
00:56:43,200 --> 00:56:45,620
Something's just been slid across the desk there.

1217
00:56:46,300 --> 00:56:47,100
When they're called upon.

1218
00:56:47,500 --> 00:56:48,780
There'll be interesting events.

1219
00:56:49,240 --> 00:56:50,840
Well, we got the colour correction.

1220
00:56:50,880 --> 00:56:51,320
They're not called upon.

1221
00:56:51,320 --> 00:56:51,940
Colour correction.

1222
00:56:52,560 --> 00:56:53,260
And the opacity.

1223
00:56:53,520 --> 00:56:54,300
Money gets handed back.

1224
00:56:54,300 --> 00:56:57,760
Would you provide copies of correspondence in that period, January to March, 2022?

1225
00:56:57,760 --> 00:56:58,660
Let's close that up.

1226
00:56:59,660 --> 00:57:03,700
Of correspondence you had in terms of chasing up those invoices.

1227
00:57:06,380 --> 00:57:08,320
It's referred to here in the report.

1228
00:57:08,320 --> 00:57:11,740
And it's 2.17 of the Grant Thornton Review.

1229
00:57:12,400 --> 00:57:14,660
So the correspondence referred to their records.

1230
00:57:14,800 --> 00:57:16,700
Would you provide the committee with those details?

1231
00:57:16,700 --> 00:57:17,700
Yeah.

1232
00:57:19,460 --> 00:57:19,780
Sorry.

1233
00:57:20,060 --> 00:57:21,160
In page 25.

1234
00:57:24,220 --> 00:57:28,060
That's the email where they ask us to raise it.

1235
00:57:28,840 --> 00:57:30,220
Send it and send it in to them.

1236
00:57:30,980 --> 00:57:31,140
Yeah.

1237
00:57:31,780 --> 00:57:37,980
If RT never knew or hadn't dealt with CMS previously, how do they know to instruct you?

1238
00:57:38,740 --> 00:57:39,300
How about this?

1239
00:57:40,160 --> 00:57:40,420
Sorry.

1240
00:57:41,540 --> 00:57:42,940
Invices through it at that stage.

1241
00:57:43,320 --> 00:57:46,280
Because my email is at CMS.

1242
00:57:46,280 --> 00:57:47,980
We are CMS and NK.

1243
00:57:47,980 --> 00:57:49,880
So they just asked us to raise it that way.

1244
00:57:49,880 --> 00:57:54,800
Was that strange though when everything else previously would have been through NK and next thing to win?

1245
00:57:54,800 --> 00:57:57,240
I think there's a lot of things it seems.

1246
00:57:57,360 --> 00:57:58,280
Did you ask them?

1247
00:57:59,080 --> 00:57:59,920
But at the time, no.

1248
00:58:00,420 --> 00:58:01,680
Did you suggest it?

1249
00:58:02,040 --> 00:58:03,980
Did you suggest that it would go through CMS?

1250
00:58:04,380 --> 00:58:04,580
No.

1251
00:58:04,940 --> 00:58:05,120
No.

1252
00:58:05,320 --> 00:58:05,380
No.

1253
00:58:05,380 --> 00:58:05,460
No.

1254
00:58:05,640 --> 00:58:08,500
Because to have people looking in, this looks like another layer to try to cover up.

1255
00:58:08,640 --> 00:58:09,680
But I'm sorry, definitely.

1256
00:58:09,880 --> 00:58:11,780
We came here today to tell you everything we know.

1257
00:58:11,820 --> 00:58:11,940
Yeah.

1258
00:58:12,000 --> 00:58:12,980
And that's what I'm trying to do.

1259
00:58:13,020 --> 00:58:13,840
Well, I'm trying to ask you questions.

1260
00:58:13,840 --> 00:58:16,480
And there's absolutely no deception on our part.

1261
00:58:16,480 --> 00:58:17,740
Everything is factual.

1262
00:58:17,740 --> 00:58:23,580
And we've had our legal people work along with us with RTE on all contracts.

1263
00:58:24,180 --> 00:58:27,560
So you're saying no, you did not suggest that it would go through CMS at any stage?

1264
00:58:27,560 --> 00:58:28,080
No.

1265
00:58:28,080 --> 00:58:28,180
No.

1266
00:58:28,180 --> 00:58:28,180
No.

1267
00:58:28,180 --> 00:58:30,740
You were nobody working with you on your behalf?

1268
00:58:30,740 --> 00:58:30,920
No.

1269
00:58:31,280 --> 00:58:31,460
No.

1270
00:58:31,900 --> 00:58:32,740
You're confident of that?

1271
00:58:32,900 --> 00:58:33,540
100%.

1272
00:58:33,540 --> 00:58:41,140
Could I ask Mr. Toperty, just in relation to the Toy Show Live event, was there one pitched by...

1273
00:58:41,140 --> 00:58:43,260
No, it was never pitched as an idea.

1274
00:58:43,380 --> 00:58:43,480
No.

1275
00:58:43,800 --> 00:58:44,000
No.

1276
00:58:44,240 --> 00:58:44,520
Was it?

1277
00:58:44,620 --> 00:58:44,720
Sorry.

1278
00:58:44,840 --> 00:58:45,100
Was it pitched?

1279
00:58:45,120 --> 00:58:45,620
No, sorry.

1280
00:58:45,720 --> 00:58:46,040
It was.

1281
00:58:46,180 --> 00:58:46,480
It was.

1282
00:58:46,500 --> 00:58:46,860
My brother.

1283
00:58:47,080 --> 00:58:47,320
Sorry.

1284
00:58:47,480 --> 00:58:48,440
I've got to tell you that.

1285
00:58:48,740 --> 00:58:49,060
Sorry.

1286
00:58:49,060 --> 00:58:49,980
Sorry, that's...

1287
00:58:49,980 --> 00:58:55,820
Years ago, when the Toy Show was running, and the Toy Show was just such an institution,

1288
00:58:55,960 --> 00:59:00,360
there was some deals done with an RTE commercial with, I'm not sure who the clothing manufacturer

1289
00:59:00,360 --> 00:59:04,180
was with sort of jumpers and pajamas and stuff like that, you know, from further around the Toy Show.

1290
00:59:04,780 --> 00:59:11,200
And we said to them, just set them as an idea, what you should actually do is take it, the actual physical set,

1291
00:59:11,480 --> 00:59:14,900
take it somewhere like the RDS so people can see it and enjoy it, because obviously on the night...

1292
00:59:14,900 --> 00:59:17,120
And this was to have Mr. Toperty as to present...

1293
00:59:17,120 --> 00:59:18,260
No, this is nothing to do with Ryan.

1294
00:59:18,340 --> 00:59:21,640
This was to do with that you should actually take the set and show the set off.

1295
00:59:21,700 --> 00:59:25,280
If they were going to do something with the Toy Show, don't put it maybe on jumpers and pajamas,

1296
00:59:25,540 --> 00:59:27,860
actually take it out there and let people see it and what it was.

1297
00:59:27,860 --> 00:59:29,440
And Ryan, can I just ask you, when did you learn...

1298
00:59:29,440 --> 00:59:33,700
Have you learned that Jane Murphy and Catherine Droghan were planning the Toy Show, the musical?

1299
00:59:33,700 --> 00:59:36,880
Probably at the early stages they would have told me that they were planning this.

1300
00:59:36,880 --> 00:59:41,600
Okay, and did you have a dispute with them about this because of the Toy Show Alive event?

1301
00:59:41,600 --> 00:59:43,340
No, no, no, the Toy Show Alive never came to anything.

1302
00:59:43,480 --> 00:59:49,380
There's no point that they... the musical was a totally separate entity and they decided to...

1303
00:59:49,380 --> 00:59:53,380
They came up with it, a very ambitious thing to do and given the nature of my job,

1304
00:59:53,440 --> 00:59:56,880
there was no way I was going to be in a position to get involved. So I wish them...

1305
00:59:56,880 --> 00:59:59,700
Do you have any dispute with them about this or there was friction?

1306
00:59:59,700 --> 01:00:05,960
I thought, no, that this was a big ambitious project and another way to maybe...

1307
01:00:05,960 --> 01:00:15,740
I don't recall... I listen a lot to RT Radio. I don't recall a massive promotion on your part of Toy Show, the musical.

1308
01:00:15,960 --> 01:00:18,800
Well, that's because the ads did the talking. There were plenty of them.

1309
01:00:19,140 --> 01:00:22,580
You didn't have any guests on talking about it at any stage on the show?

1310
01:00:22,580 --> 01:00:27,240
There were multiple mentions, if I'm not mistaken, on the Late Late Show, yes.

1311
01:00:27,240 --> 01:00:28,400
On the Radio Show?

1312
01:00:30,500 --> 01:00:33,700
I can't recall, but it wasn't done out of any...

1313
01:00:33,700 --> 01:00:37,040
Were you asked at any point to promote it in reviews?

1314
01:00:37,040 --> 01:00:37,980
Would that happen?

1315
01:00:37,980 --> 01:00:39,800
No, I don't think I would be that.

1316
01:00:39,800 --> 01:00:40,580
I would be...

1317
01:00:40,580 --> 01:00:46,080
Were you reluctant? I can understand maybe why you might be reluctant to get involved with the brand because it looked like it was...

1318
01:00:46,080 --> 01:00:53,080
No, I wished... At any time I was asked about the musical, I always wished them well. I had no ill will towards it.

1319
01:00:53,080 --> 01:01:07,060
OK. Noel Kelly, could I just ask you again there, in relation to the Late Late Show, and look, it's a very... I mean, it has hundreds of thousands of viewers. It can be a very lucrative slot if you get an appearance there for someone who's launching a book or a film or whatever.

1320
01:01:08,260 --> 01:01:12,840
What is your role there in terms of influencing guest appearances on the Late Late Show?

1321
01:01:13,160 --> 01:01:13,360
None.

1322
01:01:13,820 --> 01:01:14,340
None whatsoever?

1323
01:01:14,520 --> 01:01:15,980
None, sure. That's all editorial.

1324
01:01:15,980 --> 01:01:20,980
Yeah, do you have any influence on that though? I mean, have you ever in the past asked to get someone on the Late Late Show?

1325
01:01:20,980 --> 01:01:22,980
No. Sure, apart from Ryan.

1326
01:01:22,980 --> 01:01:26,980
Apart from Ryan? Anyone else? Any of your clients? Have you ever...

1327
01:01:26,980 --> 01:01:27,980
No, it's editorial.

1328
01:01:27,980 --> 01:01:34,980
Can you see how you'd be conflicted with one of your clients being the presenter and you of other clients you represent, some of whom have appeared in the Late Late Show?

1329
01:01:34,980 --> 01:01:41,980
It's... Guests, I mean, everything else that's purely RTE, editorial, I'm sure I'd have nothing to do with that for...

1330
01:01:41,980 --> 01:01:52,980
How would you see your role in the future in the changing culture in RT? Would you see your position being under-thread in terms of where you'd slot in there?

1331
01:01:52,980 --> 01:01:56,980
We work with Netflix, we work with streamers, we work with all the new media...

1332
01:01:56,980 --> 01:01:59,980
Do you fuck? You don't work with me, man!

1333
01:01:59,980 --> 01:02:03,980
Get me a Renault cash strap, will you?

1334
01:02:03,980 --> 01:02:13,980
What I love doing is nurturing young talent and finding young talent and getting them book deals or maybe get them a TV show. That's what I love doing. So that's where I'd see myself. That's always where I've seen myself. You know?

1335
01:02:13,980 --> 01:02:20,980
Would you go through, when you get a chance, like we had two lengthy hearings last week, the media committee at the PSE have also had a hearing...

1336
01:02:20,980 --> 01:02:25,980
I need a Mercedes cash strap. There's a long summer there. I think it would be helpful if any other mistruths...

1337
01:02:25,980 --> 01:02:33,980
I want a Renault Cleo! I want 75k in kickbacks and I want it now! And I don't want to pay tax on it neither!

1338
01:02:33,980 --> 01:02:37,980
Would you bring those to our attention? I think it would be important to the committee if that would happen.

1339
01:02:37,980 --> 01:02:53,980
You know, in relation to mistruths, I'm not here in relation to what other people felt, see or saw. We're just in relation here to what we knew, what was contracted, what we had agreed.

1340
01:02:53,980 --> 01:03:00,980
And all I can talk about is all that I know. And not what other people said or do or think. And certainly after the last few weeks if I was to do that...

1341
01:03:00,980 --> 01:03:03,980
I have to conclude Deputy Rook's last question.

1342
01:03:03,980 --> 01:03:07,980
Yeah, so there's nothing else that was said last week that you were aware was untrue.

1343
01:03:07,980 --> 01:03:12,980
This guy has had a good run of questions now. They need to move on to Boyd Barrett.

1344
01:03:12,980 --> 01:03:23,980
Boyd Barrett is sharpening his knife as we speak. According to a couple of people there.

1345
01:03:23,980 --> 01:03:26,980
It's a key part of... No, I know, but I just want to say that...

1346
01:03:27,980 --> 01:03:30,980
Here's Ryan with the thanks again, the full thanks.

1347
01:03:30,980 --> 01:03:33,980
I understand. Thank you. Senator Warfield?

1348
01:03:33,980 --> 01:03:36,980
You're both very welcome here. Thank you.

1349
01:03:36,980 --> 01:03:45,980
A question just firstly for now, Kelly. What did you think when RTE asked for an invoice to be made out for consultancy fees?

1350
01:03:46,980 --> 01:03:47,980
When they asked...

1351
01:03:47,980 --> 01:03:51,980
Mamadoc, thank you very much. Again. Sorry, under instruction from RTE...

1352
01:03:51,980 --> 01:03:54,980
Mouldy Mike, thank you very much. It's RTE, it's this institution. And oh.

1353
01:03:54,980 --> 01:04:00,980
It's, you know, it's 100 years old, why would you question it? It's easy to say now, but at the time why would you, you know?

1354
01:04:00,980 --> 01:04:04,980
Yeah. And their instructions said, we're just a little company.

1355
01:04:04,980 --> 01:04:07,980
Solid snake, thank you very much. Is that Matty McGrath?

1356
01:04:07,980 --> 01:04:11,980
A terrible employment record in many respects.

1357
01:04:11,980 --> 01:04:15,980
I hope fucking Matty McGrath's saying something. That'll be beautiful.

1358
01:04:15,980 --> 01:04:20,980
500 workers potentially classed as self-employed when they should be employees.

1359
01:04:20,980 --> 01:04:26,980
60% of investigations have led to employees being reclassified as self-employed people.

1360
01:04:26,980 --> 01:04:32,980
It's a very softly spoken fella, this guy. They need to put, they need to get some fucking Rottweilers on them.

1361
01:04:32,980 --> 01:04:34,980
They can't have any...

1362
01:04:34,980 --> 01:04:35,980
But still, you think that...

1363
01:04:35,980 --> 01:04:39,980
They're giving it... We don't want these guys to have an easy ride here.

1364
01:04:39,980 --> 01:04:44,980
...about RTE and how they might behave around staff.

1365
01:04:44,980 --> 01:04:50,980
I suppose, look, I'm 60, I've been brought up with RTE, listening to RTE radio, watching, you know, RTE.

1366
01:04:50,980 --> 01:04:54,980
We went to be... Ryan did a good bit of work with BBC.

1367
01:04:54,980 --> 01:04:55,980
Another adapter there.

1368
01:04:55,980 --> 01:04:56,980
I was expecting...

1369
01:04:56,980 --> 01:04:57,980
The double adapter.

1370
01:04:57,980 --> 01:05:17,980
...be blown away by, oh my God, this is going to be incredible. It wasn't that. As in, RTE is a fantastic organisation. Great people, great producers, directors, form managers, people, perception. It's an amazing organisation. Fabulous people. And I want RTE to win. I want RTE to win. But also there's the commercial. There's a fantastic commercial sector here in Ireland.

1371
01:05:17,980 --> 01:05:24,980
News Talk Today FM, you know, Midlands Radio. And they survive purely on commercial revenue. You know, purely.

1372
01:05:24,980 --> 01:05:33,980
Can I ask you about the sector as a whole? You represent a number of high profile personalities. You don't be asking them, can I ask it, can I ask it. Just ask them. Go straight in.

1373
01:05:33,980 --> 01:05:47,980
...and rival media organisations as well. You know what a lot of people are earning in our sector, in the media sector. So you can go to RTE and say, one of my clients wants a pay rise. They might say no.

1374
01:05:47,980 --> 01:06:16,100
Ivan Yates' Renault Lounge. Thank you very much for the tip. And what an amazing image that conjures up in my mind. The Ivan Yates' Renault Lounge. Imagine that at Electric Picnic. It's going to kick back on a Saturday or Sunday, you know, just for a nice kind of chill out. Just to collect yourself after a hectic kind of Friday, Saturday. Then it's kind of the come down Renault Lounge with Ivan Yates on Sunday.

1375
01:06:16,100 --> 01:06:38,940
Quite a dominant role in setting remuneration across the sector. So to that end, there's more people being paid more money in the commercial sector than in RTE. Higher salaries. Purely because everything is based on commercial, JNL or the right figures. So if you're hitting the right figures, then they're getting the right advertising.

1376
01:06:38,940 --> 01:06:45,940
It's a secret wink again there. So RTE is a hybrid. RTE has... Do you have a monopoly though? What? Do you have a monopoly? What? As an agent.

1377
01:06:45,940 --> 01:06:55,560
Like a monopoly isn't commercial. Commercial is... You've peddled your lies all over the world. People are paid more commercial because the value is... They know what the true value is. But you know... What happens?

1378
01:06:55,820 --> 01:07:07,780
Nintendo's Game Boy. Going for the same job. The best one gets it. Surely you have to back... No, no, no. For want of a better word. No. I don't want to describe anyone. No, no. You have to back someone.

1379
01:07:07,780 --> 01:07:15,760
If you think about it, when Pat gave up the Late Late Show. Excuse me, Jerry went to the... A bit of a burp there. You see that again.

1380
01:07:17,400 --> 01:07:33,020
From that end, I know at the time. But from that... From that... From that... From that... It's like... It's like any job, you know. The number of people can interview you, but they decide in the end to actually get the job. But from that... From that... From that end, I know at the time... Were you only 35 when you got the Late Late Show?

1381
01:07:34,080 --> 01:07:41,240
Yeah. I think so. About 35. It was all about a younger demographic. That's what they were... Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

1382
01:07:42,240 --> 01:07:51,080
Wanted to bring... Try and bring in younger people. And as a result, that muddies the market for all the other local radio stations, national radio stations, TV stations...

1383
01:07:51,080 --> 01:08:01,080
Yeah. The... The... Fucking... Aroctis player... I wanted to go back and see his burp lies there. Somebody was saying in the chat that they were... They were lie burps. Says boom, boom, 43.

1384
01:08:01,240 --> 01:08:09,740
I wanted to go back and replay Noel Kelly's lie burps. But the fucking shoddy player, Aroctis player, wouldn't let me skip back.

1385
01:08:10,040 --> 01:08:15,160
Yeah. I could say that. I mean, it helps if I want to write a book about John F. Kennedy or about... Yeah.

1386
01:08:15,240 --> 01:08:20,760
A multicoloured sheep. Both of which I've written about for different reasons. I can do that as an independent contractor.

1387
01:08:20,760 --> 01:08:26,480
And you say there's nothing morally, ethically or legally wrong with that. Mm. Um... Is it fair?

1388
01:08:26,480 --> 01:08:37,820
A Google user. Thanks for the tip. Uh-huh. A multicoloured sheep. There's a benefit. It... The benefit comes from your connection with RTE.

1389
01:08:39,520 --> 01:08:50,440
Mm. I'd like to think that it's... It's broad. That... That the... The appeal is... Is not just the appeal. I mean... You've been there since the age of...

1390
01:08:50,440 --> 01:09:01,580
You've been there since the age of 12. Yeah, I have. I have. I have. I have. But if Harper Collins asked me to write a history book, does it matter that I work in RTE? I don't know. That's for them to answer. I don't want to overstate my value to somewhere.

1391
01:09:02,580 --> 01:09:18,060
In your open statement today, and a number of times this morning at PAC, you say that you took a pay cut, and I think to most people out there, a pay cut is where you work the same hours and conditions for less pay.

1392
01:09:18,060 --> 01:09:41,860
But that's not the case here. In contract negotiations in very well known, they state that reduce fees has to reflect the reduced levels of services. It has to reflect the reduced levels of services. So it's in the terms. That means that if you get paid less, there would be less money.

1393
01:09:42,580 --> 01:10:09,780
Lots of kickbacks for you and me. Keep stum, and nobody will get done. Bring it back again. From 2000 to 40%. And again, in relation to Ireland, the late late show, the late late show, it's half line to half 11. It's supposed to be the arts half line to half 11, right?

1394
01:10:11,100 --> 01:10:35,380
I mean, extra. So I believe the new late late shows, I believe the new late late shows, 30 shows of an hour and a half. What did they know? What did they know? What does it do? So every 15 minutes or 20 minutes is an extra ad slot for ads. You know, so in the new world, if it finishes at 11 o'clock, it's a different value. To the commercial.

1395
01:10:35,380 --> 01:11:02,080
So over the period of those six years, there was a 40% pay cut. The contract went from 545 to 440. And over those six years, the commercial revenue, and I'm talking about the commercial part, the commercial revenue to RTE, between the late late show, advertising, sponsorship, text 12345 for the viewers' prize, the radio show, was 100 million euros over six years.

1396
01:11:02,080 --> 01:11:15,360
So, you know, it's a very demanding schedule. Like, you're 38 weeks, you can't take any time, you've made a radio, then you've got that. So now a little bit of time off during the summer. I know it's a lot of money. And it's not about the amount of money.

1397
01:11:15,920 --> 01:11:35,020
And Ryan said to himself, after COVID, he left himself on the floor. And he was turning 50, time to do all this stuff. And as an independent contractor, he'd be paid, you know, less than half to do radio. But he can do a famine documentary, he can write another work. He just wants to change his life. It's time for him to change.

1398
01:11:35,220 --> 01:11:40,220
Why do you not discuss your years with St. Joseph's spy scout movement?

1399
01:11:40,580 --> 01:11:42,620
My time is almost up. Pardon me?

1400
01:11:42,820 --> 01:11:43,880
My time is almost up.

1401
01:11:44,060 --> 01:11:48,800
Yeah, sorry. I was about to elucidate on the joys of leaving the late late show, but I won't do that now, obviously.

1402
01:11:48,900 --> 01:11:58,140
I've just, on the issue of the late late show, throughout the documentation that you sent us, often you used the term late late toy show live.

1403
01:11:58,320 --> 01:11:58,680
Yes.

1404
01:11:59,040 --> 01:12:04,800
And late late toy show interchangeably. Punished. I'm just, at no point for talking about the music.

1405
01:12:04,800 --> 01:12:06,960
Thank you very much. Crashed the reno. Thank you very much.

1406
01:12:06,960 --> 01:12:13,480
We had never any talks about the musical at all. At all. And it was never something that.

1407
01:12:13,660 --> 01:12:14,580
No, I didn't care. No.

1408
01:12:15,260 --> 01:12:19,880
Is there a separate agreement? Is there a separate commercial agreement in relation to the toy show?

1409
01:12:20,460 --> 01:12:21,500
The toy show. The toy show itself.

1410
01:12:21,500 --> 01:12:23,560
No, that's part of my contract.

1411
01:12:24,380 --> 01:12:28,780
Can I suggest something to you, just in the last four seconds that you have on your time?

1412
01:12:28,840 --> 01:12:29,180
Go on.

1413
01:12:29,720 --> 01:12:33,760
And maybe this is to the committee and to all the members of this particular committee.

1414
01:12:34,380 --> 01:12:39,480
I mean, in the event that I do keep my job, and it's touch and go from my understanding of it at the moment,

1415
01:12:41,040 --> 01:12:52,480
you know, I'd be happy to suggest that in the future we'd have a situation where you would publish my contract on an annual basis.

1416
01:12:52,980 --> 01:13:03,580
You know, with a few, obviously, for redactions for personnel or what have you, with the money and the salary and the earnings there, straight up.

1417
01:13:04,280 --> 01:13:08,040
Like, if RT are going through a cathartic week, let this be part of it.

1418
01:13:08,540 --> 01:13:14,060
I will offer that. I mean, I have nothing to hide. Put the contract out. Put it online. Tell everyone how much I have.

1419
01:13:14,180 --> 01:13:19,840
Don't wait for three years and then have this codology that can happen all this time later, despite us saying it at the time.

1420
01:13:20,180 --> 01:13:23,860
So, I hope that's of use to you, but I'm happy to offer that today.

1421
01:13:23,980 --> 01:13:26,600
Just a final question. You're fine. Okay.

1422
01:13:27,240 --> 01:13:34,660
Colleagues and witnesses, I'm obviously mindful of the fact that we're at the halfway mark, but we actually haven't met the halfway mark in terms of colleagues.

1423
01:13:35,120 --> 01:13:36,700
Senator Malcolm Byrne is next.

1424
01:13:37,360 --> 01:13:39,920
Are you able to go on for one more witness or do you mind your brain?

1425
01:13:39,920 --> 01:13:41,740
Delighted to talk to Senator Byrne, of course.

1426
01:13:41,760 --> 01:13:42,540
Okay, we'll continue.

1427
01:13:42,540 --> 01:13:43,140
Are you okay with that?

1428
01:13:43,260 --> 01:13:43,520
Yeah, yeah.

1429
01:13:43,520 --> 01:13:44,320
Is that okay with everything?

1430
01:13:44,320 --> 01:13:45,200
Are you okay, Senator?

1431
01:13:45,360 --> 01:13:45,480
Yeah.

1432
01:13:45,780 --> 01:13:49,740
Okay, and when Senator Byrne's finished, we'll recess for 10 minutes and then back again.

1433
01:13:49,740 --> 01:13:50,760
I appreciate that. Thank you.

1434
01:13:50,760 --> 01:13:54,180
Okay, I want to thank you, Chair, and I want to thank the witnesses.

1435
01:13:55,640 --> 01:14:18,540
Ryan, I think it's fair to say you and I know each other a long time. We were in UCD together. We were friendly at the time. I know how committed you are to radio. I know even back then you were deeply committed to broadcasting. And I think there is a passion that is there. And I think everybody recognizes your talents. And obviously this is having a big personal impact on you.

1436
01:14:18,560 --> 01:14:19,060
Yes, it is.

1437
01:14:19,420 --> 01:14:30,440
But I think, you know, it is important for us and I think for you that we get the full picture here. It's, as colleagues said, it's not about a witch hunt. This is about getting a full picture.

1438
01:14:30,540 --> 01:14:31,120
I understand that.

1439
01:14:31,300 --> 01:14:37,240
And I think what is emerging really is around a culture that exists within RT that's going to have to change.

1440
01:14:37,360 --> 01:14:37,500
Yes.

1441
01:14:37,680 --> 01:14:43,980
So my first question to you is, and it's very simple, do you believe in all of this that you have done anything wrong?

1442
01:14:44,200 --> 01:14:56,440
I think that the only thing that I can answer that in a way that's reasonable and fair is to say that I should have called out the figures when they were released all in one day on March.

1443
01:14:56,760 --> 01:15:07,480
I'm sorry, on January the 20th, 2021. They were wrong. We had requested that they change them before in dispatches. But that day we didn't.

1444
01:15:07,600 --> 01:15:10,280
So, yeah, I'm not without blame in that regard, of course.

1445
01:15:11,020 --> 01:15:22,620
Okay. I want to reflect on, and I suppose this is, after RT released its initial statement, both yourself and Mr. Kelly released a first statement on the Thursday.

1446
01:15:22,940 --> 01:15:29,020
And that was then followed by a second statement on the Friday, which was quite different, which actually acknowledged the problem.

1447
01:15:29,160 --> 01:15:39,460
Yeah, I can explain that if you wish. So what happened was, we were given approximately 30 minutes warning from RT to say this bomb is about to be let off.

1448
01:15:39,960 --> 01:15:50,000
And we looked at it and said, well, you can't, because you're putting out all this information, so much of which we can counter and clarify for you.

1449
01:15:50,760 --> 01:16:01,560
And it was, it was, it was, it was, and we said, maybe, you know, it's saying this report, the grand fortune report saying Ryan Tupperly did nothing wrong and all of this.

1450
01:16:01,560 --> 01:16:06,180
And we said, you've got to include that. And they said, no.

1451
01:16:07,040 --> 01:16:09,600
So we're releasing the statement. We said, the rush.

1452
01:16:10,700 --> 01:16:17,700
So, our statement, the first, the one you're referring to, went out saying we can't shed any light because we couldn't.

1453
01:16:18,740 --> 01:16:23,020
Then that night was an all-nighter. We looked through and everything and said, actually, do you know what?

1454
01:16:23,340 --> 01:16:27,720
I want to apologise to people because I should have called that out there as soon as I had the chance to, and I did.

1455
01:16:28,040 --> 01:16:32,900
And then, sorry to, and then, then the media maul.

1456
01:16:33,200 --> 01:16:37,620
Now, the media are brilliant. They're my colleagues and some of them are my friends, so I'm not, I'm not having to go with the media.

1457
01:16:37,620 --> 01:16:42,880
They're doing the job. I get that. But I'm just saying that there was a mauling of sorts, right, for three weeks.

1458
01:16:43,760 --> 01:16:48,780
And that's why we get to today where we've tried, like, we've put this together with a view to be transparent.

1459
01:16:49,140 --> 01:16:54,680
Let me come back to the question. Why, why do you think your salary was understated? I mean, you know.

1460
01:16:54,940 --> 01:16:55,880
You are a liar.

1461
01:16:56,040 --> 01:16:59,000
People know what their salaries are. You know what your salary is. People in RT.

1462
01:16:59,220 --> 01:17:02,420
Why, why do you think those figures were understated?

1463
01:17:03,320 --> 01:17:08,420
Again, it was a mistake on RT's part because we'd written to them and say, said, this is wrong.

1464
01:17:09,160 --> 01:17:10,880
And they said, sorry.

1465
01:17:11,380 --> 01:17:15,360
Well, no, what happened, not only that, but we also, there was an assumption.

1466
01:17:15,880 --> 01:17:17,880
We had said before, that's this.

1467
01:17:18,240 --> 01:17:19,160
Well, who's going to ask?

1468
01:17:19,420 --> 01:17:21,500
Just to finish, very brief, sorry, Senator.

1469
01:17:22,620 --> 01:17:29,140
And there was this assumption that here's an organisation that has, you know, CFO, internal auditors, etc.

1470
01:17:29,680 --> 01:17:33,160
But not only that, the figures have been externally audited and so on.

1471
01:17:33,440 --> 01:17:37,260
So you have an assumption, naive as it may be, that they have their reasons.

1472
01:17:37,260 --> 01:17:41,000
Who do you think is responsible, therefore, for the incorrect figures being issued?

1473
01:17:41,680 --> 01:17:43,360
Without question, RT.

1474
01:17:43,880 --> 01:17:44,880
But who in RT?

1475
01:17:45,060 --> 01:17:46,040
Oh, that's no, I'll tell you.

1476
01:17:46,180 --> 01:17:48,980
I mean, I'm sorry, that's the granular detail I don't.

1477
01:17:48,980 --> 01:17:52,540
I believe is responsible for misstating your client's salary figures.

1478
01:17:52,960 --> 01:17:57,900
We had done the contract and, again, always in, or the main term.

1479
01:17:57,900 --> 01:18:00,020
Well, who did you complain to?

1480
01:18:00,180 --> 01:18:01,080
You said you complained.

1481
01:18:01,080 --> 01:18:05,700
Oh, yeah, the letter to say, to explain to them that you're uncomfortable with the way they were shown.

1482
01:18:05,880 --> 01:18:07,860
Because these figures are discussed widely.

1483
01:18:07,860 --> 01:18:09,340
The document's in your...

1484
01:18:09,340 --> 01:18:10,400
Page 14.

1485
01:18:10,600 --> 01:18:10,740
Yeah.

1486
01:18:10,840 --> 01:18:11,120
Okay.

1487
01:18:11,240 --> 01:18:11,820
In the document.

1488
01:18:11,960 --> 01:18:13,120
That should clarify that for you.

1489
01:18:15,480 --> 01:18:17,580
Essentially made changes to the side, etc.

1490
01:18:17,900 --> 01:18:25,280
So then on the side letter, we asked them to take out all of this because they were trying

1491
01:18:25,280 --> 01:18:28,400
to offset a payment that you didn't take or invoice.

1492
01:18:28,480 --> 01:18:29,900
So this is the 120,000.

1493
01:18:30,160 --> 01:18:33,080
So Ryan never took and never invoiced first.

1494
01:18:33,240 --> 01:18:34,760
And they said they've got to offset it.

1495
01:18:34,880 --> 01:18:35,960
It's an accountancy thing.

1496
01:18:36,200 --> 01:18:37,560
So you're going, well, if it's not...

1497
01:18:37,560 --> 01:18:39,000
If it's...

1498
01:18:39,000 --> 01:18:41,500
For what I thought is if it's not there, how can it be there?

1499
01:18:41,500 --> 01:18:42,680
But they were trying to...

1500
01:18:42,680 --> 01:18:49,840
So that 120,000 then was offset against 17, 18 and 19 by RTE.

1501
01:18:50,140 --> 01:18:50,960
We wrote to them.

1502
01:18:52,180 --> 01:18:52,720
And in it...

1503
01:18:52,720 --> 01:18:54,520
And you never received that 120?

1504
01:18:54,980 --> 01:18:55,220
No.

1505
01:18:55,380 --> 01:18:56,200
So am I correct?

1506
01:18:56,320 --> 01:18:57,180
Can I just then...

1507
01:18:57,180 --> 01:18:58,820
So the declared figures...

1508
01:18:58,820 --> 01:18:59,060
Yes.

1509
01:18:59,140 --> 01:19:01,080
...that were published at the time, right?

1510
01:19:01,660 --> 01:19:05,060
Were for 2017, 491,667.

1511
01:19:05,560 --> 01:19:07,980
2018, 495,000.

1512
01:19:07,980 --> 01:19:08,100
Yeah.

1513
01:19:08,480 --> 01:19:10,520
And 2019, 495,000.

1514
01:19:10,720 --> 01:19:10,720
Sure.

1515
01:19:10,920 --> 01:19:14,300
Those are the correct total figures that were paid by RTE to total.

1516
01:19:14,420 --> 01:19:15,360
No, they...

1517
01:19:15,360 --> 01:19:16,640
So that should have been...

1518
01:19:16,640 --> 01:19:18,340
You are on the fucking roll to see that now.

1519
01:19:18,360 --> 01:19:20,760
595, 545, 545, 545, 545.

1520
01:19:21,120 --> 01:19:21,380
Okay.

1521
01:19:21,440 --> 01:19:27,300
So what happened was they had put a figure that we have an invoice taken or given against those figures.

1522
01:19:27,460 --> 01:19:29,020
So it was an underpayment.

1523
01:19:29,020 --> 01:19:30,520
I'm just saying, Mr. Kelly, I appreciate that.

1524
01:19:30,720 --> 01:19:34,360
But I'm looking at the way a normal person looks at their annual salary.

1525
01:19:34,480 --> 01:19:34,940
So am I.

1526
01:19:34,940 --> 01:19:37,480
And this is a challenge.

1527
01:19:37,740 --> 01:19:40,700
And I mean, you know, there is a question that is here.

1528
01:19:40,700 --> 01:19:45,280
That people are looking and they're saying, hang on, we talked about it.

1529
01:19:45,340 --> 01:19:47,340
You know, everyone talks about the salaries when they're published.

1530
01:19:47,480 --> 01:19:47,620
Yeah.

1531
01:19:47,880 --> 01:19:48,500
Look at that tie.

1532
01:19:48,500 --> 01:19:50,800
And you knew even just to take one year, 229...

1533
01:19:50,800 --> 01:19:51,680
It's a great tie.

1534
01:19:51,820 --> 01:19:52,900
It was declared...

1535
01:19:52,900 --> 01:19:53,880
It's a fucking lovely tie.

1536
01:19:54,220 --> 01:19:56,680
...declared before the Iraq this year, 495,000.

1537
01:19:56,820 --> 01:19:57,080
Sure.

1538
01:19:57,080 --> 01:20:02,420
Yet you knew that total is the company was paid 545,000.

1539
01:20:02,420 --> 01:20:02,740
That's right.

1540
01:20:02,900 --> 01:20:03,040
Correct.

1541
01:20:03,380 --> 01:20:05,560
That's the sound I hear when I see that tie.

1542
01:20:05,660 --> 01:20:06,260
I'm conscious on time.

1543
01:20:06,680 --> 01:20:08,120
Ryan, you mentioned that...

1544
01:20:08,120 --> 01:20:10,320
Sorry, can I just say on that final page there,

1545
01:20:10,320 --> 01:20:16,280
on page 17, they accepted that it was wrong.

1546
01:20:16,800 --> 01:20:22,000
I know, but for us and for the wider public, we didn't know.

1547
01:20:22,180 --> 01:20:23,460
And this is the problem.

1548
01:20:23,700 --> 01:20:23,800
Okay.

1549
01:20:24,300 --> 01:20:26,320
So, Ryan, you've said that you're going to...

1550
01:20:27,260 --> 01:20:29,500
If the gigs don't happen, if the Renault gigs don't happen,

1551
01:20:29,800 --> 01:20:30,740
you're going to pay them back.

1552
01:20:30,740 --> 01:20:31,280
The Renault gigs.

1553
01:20:31,600 --> 01:20:32,940
To whom are you going to pay it back?

1554
01:20:33,280 --> 01:20:34,820
I'd like a few Renault gigs.

1555
01:20:34,820 --> 01:20:37,760
Any Renault gigs going?

1556
01:20:38,960 --> 01:20:39,760
Paid the last two.

1557
01:20:39,980 --> 01:20:45,960
So, does the cheque or the bank transfer go to pay Astus Limited?

1558
01:20:46,280 --> 01:20:46,740
It's a good question.

1559
01:20:46,840 --> 01:20:47,280
Or pay Renault?

1560
01:20:47,620 --> 01:20:48,560
It's a great question.

1561
01:20:48,560 --> 01:20:48,740
Or pay RTE?

1562
01:20:49,460 --> 01:20:49,960
It's a good question.

1563
01:20:49,960 --> 01:20:50,800
Whoever paid it.

1564
01:20:50,800 --> 01:20:51,300
So, if it's Astus.

1565
01:20:51,300 --> 01:20:53,360
So, who do you think you're paying it to?

1566
01:20:53,360 --> 01:20:54,920
I think the answer is Astus, which to me,

1567
01:20:55,020 --> 01:20:57,680
as a result of the discoveries in the last week or two,

1568
01:20:57,820 --> 01:20:58,860
is RTE.

1569
01:20:59,500 --> 01:21:00,840
Now it's RTE.

1570
01:21:00,980 --> 01:21:01,760
So, it goes back to RTE.

1571
01:21:02,000 --> 01:21:03,360
So, it goes back to...

1572
01:21:03,360 --> 01:21:04,440
Through this desire.

1573
01:21:05,160 --> 01:21:05,500
Okay.

1574
01:21:06,600 --> 01:21:07,500
I'm still...

1575
01:21:07,500 --> 01:21:08,500
So, we knew...

1576
01:21:08,500 --> 01:21:10,620
And I want to come to you, Mr. Kelly.

1577
01:21:11,420 --> 01:21:12,900
And, you know, you're...

1578
01:21:12,900 --> 01:21:14,820
Obviously, you're a very experienced negotiator.

1579
01:21:14,920 --> 01:21:17,500
We know this in terms of those who you represent.

1580
01:21:17,740 --> 01:21:19,880
And I asked the questions, you know,

1581
01:21:19,960 --> 01:21:23,400
when the executive were in here as to, you know,

1582
01:21:23,440 --> 01:21:24,640
who was in the room with you.

1583
01:21:24,720 --> 01:21:27,560
And then you kindly, to some of our colleagues earlier today,

1584
01:21:27,640 --> 01:21:31,680
outlined, you know, who you had been dealing with.

1585
01:21:31,820 --> 01:21:35,140
One of the key people who very clearly knew about some of the deals

1586
01:21:35,140 --> 01:21:36,460
was Jim Jennings.

1587
01:21:36,820 --> 01:21:37,380
So, is it fair to say...

1588
01:21:37,380 --> 01:21:39,060
Rob and Tobas, thank you very much.

1589
01:21:39,080 --> 01:21:40,180
Would have been the individual...

1590
01:21:40,180 --> 01:21:40,820
Telly Toby.

1591
01:21:40,900 --> 01:21:42,080
...who told the deal together with RTE.

1592
01:21:42,480 --> 01:21:43,220
Telly Toberty.

1593
01:21:43,380 --> 01:21:43,640
Sorry.

1594
01:21:44,080 --> 01:21:47,080
No, the commercial would have been done with...

1595
01:21:47,620 --> 01:21:50,880
Initially, with the lawyers when we were informed

1596
01:21:50,880 --> 01:21:51,920
that they wanted to do it.

1597
01:21:52,180 --> 01:21:53,460
And then it's handed over to commercial.

1598
01:21:53,680 --> 01:21:55,960
I appreciate that the lawyers would have done it.

1599
01:21:56,060 --> 01:21:59,580
But lawyers don't go out and sort of cut the deal.

1600
01:21:59,820 --> 01:22:02,080
You know, lawyers are the ones who sign up the deal.

1601
01:22:02,240 --> 01:22:02,800
I just...

1602
01:22:02,800 --> 01:22:03,460
It was...

1603
01:22:03,460 --> 01:22:08,080
I got this email on the 10th of March 2020.

1604
01:22:10,220 --> 01:22:10,660
Sorry.

1605
01:22:11,980 --> 01:22:13,220
Sorry, page number 14.

1606
01:22:13,400 --> 01:22:14,060
Sorry, number 14.

1607
01:22:14,060 --> 01:22:17,260
I attach for your attention the draft contract

1608
01:22:17,260 --> 01:22:18,880
that the two side letters discussed and agreed

1609
01:22:18,880 --> 01:22:20,020
in relation to this matter.

1610
01:22:20,520 --> 01:22:22,240
The sponsorship agreement will be handled

1611
01:22:22,240 --> 01:22:23,460
by our commercial team

1612
01:22:23,460 --> 01:22:27,780
and will be agreed separately to these documents.

1613
01:22:28,160 --> 01:22:31,700
So, you were negotiating at the time of the 2020 contract.

1614
01:22:31,800 --> 01:22:32,080
Yes.

1615
01:22:32,240 --> 01:22:32,440
OK.

1616
01:22:33,720 --> 01:22:36,460
And at the time, everyone in RTE was accepting,

1617
01:22:36,700 --> 01:22:37,860
you know, that there were going to be cuts.

1618
01:22:38,000 --> 01:22:38,220
Sure.

1619
01:22:38,340 --> 01:22:41,920
And we know how difficult the situation that it was.

1620
01:22:42,420 --> 01:22:46,300
What you're asking us to believe is that, you know,

1621
01:22:46,500 --> 01:22:49,540
Ryan could go off and he could negotiate his book deal

1622
01:22:49,540 --> 01:22:52,660
or he could negotiate his documentary separately as a contractor.

1623
01:22:53,100 --> 01:22:53,420
The note...

1624
01:22:53,420 --> 01:22:55,740
In this instance, what you're saying to us is...

1625
01:22:55,740 --> 01:23:00,700
The note says Nando's or Pizza Express, says Mr. Huxable there.

1626
01:23:00,700 --> 01:23:02,940
Somebody in RTE just came to you and said,

1627
01:23:03,060 --> 01:23:08,960
Noel, listen, we're going to offer a deal now with Renault.

1628
01:23:09,700 --> 01:23:11,060
Here's the deal.

1629
01:23:11,660 --> 01:23:14,480
Who was it that sort of said we're going to sort this out?

1630
01:23:14,480 --> 01:23:18,380
NK Ultra throwing his toy man out of the pram.

1631
01:23:19,480 --> 01:23:21,060
Yeah, from Breed O'Keefe.

1632
01:23:21,760 --> 01:23:22,860
Because, again...

1633
01:23:22,860 --> 01:23:25,440
So, was it Breed that struck the deal?

1634
01:23:26,240 --> 01:23:30,020
The deal with Renault and RT is completely between them.

1635
01:23:30,800 --> 01:23:33,600
I appreciate it, no, but you knew who, like...

1636
01:23:33,600 --> 01:23:36,920
You knew who this deal was on behalf of.

1637
01:23:37,400 --> 01:23:38,200
Sure, Renault and RT.

1638
01:23:38,560 --> 01:23:38,860
Yeah, yeah.

1639
01:23:38,860 --> 01:23:39,800
Get the hack going again.

1640
01:23:39,820 --> 01:23:43,520
RT was coming, you know, to Ryan.

1641
01:23:43,720 --> 01:23:45,140
Ryan was facing a pay cut.

1642
01:23:46,320 --> 01:23:48,580
Why, for instance, did you not go off and...

1643
01:23:48,580 --> 01:23:49,180
Sorry, sorry, no.

1644
01:23:49,220 --> 01:23:50,540
It wasn't that Ryan was facing a pay cut.

1645
01:23:51,300 --> 01:23:54,460
Ryan had given back 525,000.

1646
01:23:54,600 --> 01:23:55,700
Not that he was facing a pay cut.

1647
01:23:55,760 --> 01:23:59,160
He'd actually given back 525,000.

1648
01:23:59,300 --> 01:24:00,600
And he didn't take the 120,000.

1649
01:24:00,720 --> 01:24:02,680
So, it wasn't about pay cuts.

1650
01:24:02,800 --> 01:24:04,920
It was just a commercial, a separate commercial arrangement.

1651
01:24:05,360 --> 01:24:06,240
Separate commercial arrangement.

1652
01:24:06,260 --> 01:24:10,260
Okay, but why would you not have gone and negotiated directly with Renault?

1653
01:24:10,320 --> 01:24:11,500
Because we've got a relationship with Renault.

1654
01:24:11,720 --> 01:24:14,760
The relationship with the sponsor and RT is...

1655
01:24:15,460 --> 01:24:18,580
That's their relationship.

1656
01:24:18,720 --> 01:24:19,640
That's nothing to do with us.

1657
01:24:19,720 --> 01:24:20,520
We have nothing to do with...

1658
01:24:20,520 --> 01:24:22,400
And it's minded, obviously, because it's such a...

1659
01:24:22,400 --> 01:24:25,740
And did you not find it odd...

1660
01:24:25,740 --> 01:24:26,740
That we were in this period...

1661
01:24:27,420 --> 01:24:29,400
And colleagues have already talked about it.

1662
01:24:29,480 --> 01:24:34,080
You know, coming into COVID, there were pay cuts going on in RTE.

1663
01:24:34,840 --> 01:24:40,460
And suddenly, RTE were able to come with a deal to you and say,

1664
01:24:40,920 --> 01:24:49,300
Hey, we can mitigate some of this loss by you agreeing to go and do these gigs with Renault.

1665
01:24:49,300 --> 01:24:55,720
No, they came to us to say that Renault weren't trying to do late, late show, road shows.

1666
01:24:55,720 --> 01:24:58,860
Outside of his radio and TV contract.

1667
01:24:59,460 --> 01:25:03,440
And I can only assume that it was going to lock in that sponsorship for another five years.

1668
01:25:03,440 --> 01:25:05,000
And they're still sponsoring the show.

1669
01:25:05,720 --> 01:25:12,160
Yeah, but at the same time, you made sure, and it was you that made sure, that RT underwrote the deal.

1670
01:25:12,700 --> 01:25:21,980
Yeah, but underwrote it. RT were never going to pay for this. This is always a Renault deal. That Renault were going to pay for extra services for Ryan. That's what it was. Never for RT.

1671
01:25:21,980 --> 01:25:24,820
So it was originally to be a one-year deal.

1672
01:25:25,240 --> 01:25:26,260
No, it was a five-year deal.

1673
01:25:26,260 --> 01:25:31,220
So your hope was that this was going to be Renault over five years.

1674
01:25:31,220 --> 01:25:31,980
Well, absolutely.

1675
01:25:31,980 --> 01:25:33,120
We're going to keep doing this.

1676
01:25:33,120 --> 01:25:39,180
Sure. And what I asked RT to underwrite it was that if there was a change of sponsor, that we could then...

1677
01:25:39,180 --> 01:25:40,220
But what if...

1678
01:25:40,220 --> 01:25:41,400
Because that's again true RT.

1679
01:25:41,400 --> 01:25:51,360
But what if Renault pulled out? Was it always your understanding that if Renault pulled out, it didn't matter, my client was still going to get his sum of money every year?

1680
01:25:51,360 --> 01:25:58,380
No, if Renault pulled out and the new sponsor wasn't right or suitable or wasn't working either part...

1681
01:25:58,380 --> 01:25:59,360
Or if there wasn't a new...

1682
01:25:59,360 --> 01:26:00,460
Then the whole thing would just stop then.

1683
01:26:00,980 --> 01:26:05,280
Okay, so then why was it that RT are continuing to make payments?

1684
01:26:05,980 --> 01:26:10,940
No, Astus paid us, not RTE. Renault paid us the first year, then Astus paid the next year.

1685
01:26:11,020 --> 01:26:13,740
But did you not ask then who are Astus?

1686
01:26:14,540 --> 01:26:24,400
RT instruct us. Honestly, like at this stage, everybody's so wise. We are just working under instruction. It's their relationship. It's a huge contact for them.

1687
01:26:25,660 --> 01:26:33,900
Would it never have struck you... If I was getting, you know, 75,000 euro from a company like Astus, I'd surely ask who are Astus?

1688
01:26:34,600 --> 01:26:36,220
I never asked who are RTE.

1689
01:26:37,220 --> 01:26:39,780
But we know who RTE are.

1690
01:26:39,780 --> 01:26:41,100
I know, I know, I know, but...

1691
01:26:41,100 --> 01:26:42,300
We know who Renault are.

1692
01:26:42,500 --> 01:26:44,640
I don't think anybody here knew who asked us were.

1693
01:26:44,640 --> 01:26:50,580
Okay, I think I'll have to conclude, Senator Byrne, and we can continue the conversation. I'm sure everybody needs a break.

1694
01:26:50,840 --> 01:26:51,120
I'm sure, thank you.

1695
01:26:51,120 --> 01:26:52,340
We're going around in circles a little bit.

1696
01:26:52,560 --> 01:26:59,980
So I'm going to suspend the meeting for 10 minutes, and we will resume again with Senator Micheál Carraghy.

1697
01:27:02,020 --> 01:27:18,480
Wonderful Maverick. Thank you very much. 10 minutes. Need to go to the loo and I'll make another cup of tea. I might even get myself... I might even indulge in a lovely NK Ultra Cadbury's Dairy Milk Mini.

1698
01:27:18,480 --> 01:27:36,980
What are you going to do? I'm not sure. You might even... You have 10 minutes to maybe check out the lovely selection of new Renaults that are... that are doing the rounds. Tell you, Renault really getting a fucking great... They're getting more bang for their buck than they ever, ever imagined.

1699
01:27:36,980 --> 01:27:53,140
I think Renault could really just come out of the woodwork here and really a bit of decent PR for themselves would be to just go, here lads, what's the discrepancy in the payment? You know, what was published and what did he get? All right, okay, here you go.

1700
01:27:54,260 --> 01:28:03,780
What's it to us? It's fucking nothing. We've paid it. Now get back to work, Ollie. You're wasting people's time. Imagine that. Everyone would be like, fucking Renault. Fair play to you.

1701
01:28:05,180 --> 01:28:08,340
Maybe not, though. Okay, see you in 10 minutes.

1702
01:28:11,160 --> 01:28:12,420
You hammered your mother.

1703
01:28:13,560 --> 01:28:14,660
You are a liar.

1704
01:28:15,600 --> 01:28:18,680
I don't know why you're so obsessed with me.

1705
01:28:18,680 --> 01:28:48,660
Thank you.

1706
01:28:48,660 --> 01:29:18,640
Thank you.

1707
01:29:18,640 --> 01:29:48,620
Thank you.

1708
01:29:48,620 --> 01:30:18,600
Thank you.

1709
01:30:18,600 --> 01:30:48,580
Thank you.

1710
01:30:48,580 --> 01:30:50,580
Thank you.

1711
01:30:50,580 --> 01:30:52,580
Thank you.

1712
01:30:52,580 --> 01:30:52,580
Thank you.

1713
01:30:52,580 --> 01:30:54,580
Thank you.

1714
01:30:54,580 --> 01:30:56,580
Thank you.

1715
01:30:56,580 --> 01:30:58,580
Thank you.

1716
01:30:58,580 --> 01:31:00,580
Thank you.

1717
01:31:00,580 --> 01:31:02,580
Thank you.

1718
01:31:02,580 --> 01:31:10,580
Thank you.

1719
01:31:10,580 --> 01:31:12,580
Thank you.

1720
01:31:12,580 --> 01:31:40,580
*music*

1721
01:31:40,580 --> 01:32:00,580
You've driven the best you can drive. Now drive something you've never driven before. The Renault Kangoo. Proudly sponsoring the Joint Committee on Tourism, Culture, Arts, Sport and Media.

1722
01:32:00,580 --> 01:32:04,580
Renault. Drive to believe.

1723
01:32:04,580 --> 01:32:22,580
*music*

1724
01:32:22,580 --> 01:32:34,580
*music*

1725
01:32:34,580 --> 01:32:36,580
*music*

1726
01:32:36,580 --> 01:32:36,580
*music*

1727
01:32:36,580 --> 01:32:38,580
*music*

1728
01:32:38,580 --> 01:32:40,580
*music*

1729
01:32:40,580 --> 01:32:42,580
*music*

1730
01:32:42,580 --> 01:32:42,580
*music*

1731
01:32:42,580 --> 01:32:44,580
*music*

1732
01:32:44,580 --> 01:32:46,580
*music*

1733
01:32:46,580 --> 01:32:48,580
*music*

1734
01:32:48,580 --> 01:32:50,580
*music*

1735
01:32:50,580 --> 01:33:11,040
The dream. The odometer. The speedometer. Pure motherfucking Renault. Drive to believe, and believe to drive.

1736
01:33:11,960 --> 01:33:20,920
Renault. Proud sponsors of the Joint Committee on Tourism, Culture, Arts, Sport and Media.

1737
01:33:20,920 --> 01:33:50,900
The Joint Committee on Tourism, Culture, Arts, Sport and Media.

1738
01:33:50,900 --> 01:34:05,640
Have you ever, ever driven a sexual car as good as this? The new Renault Arcana Iconic. It's a pleasure doing business with us.

1739
01:34:07,040 --> 01:34:08,920
Can we get the music on again, please? Sorry.

1740
01:34:14,100 --> 01:34:16,080
Can you change the music there, please?

1741
01:34:20,880 --> 01:34:44,700
Feel the dream of French perfection.

1742
01:34:44,700 --> 01:34:47,940
A car like none other.

1743
01:34:49,540 --> 01:34:51,820
The Renault of your life.

1744
01:34:54,280 --> 01:34:59,440
Optional final payment, $13,350. Offers higher purchase subject to lending criteria.

1745
01:35:00,380 --> 01:35:01,520
Hybrid by nature.

1746
01:35:02,540 --> 01:35:03,620
Renault Arcana.

1747
01:35:04,440 --> 01:35:06,340
Renault. Proud sponsors.

1748
01:35:07,700 --> 01:35:12,120
Proud sponsors of the Joint Committee on Tourism, Culture, Arts, Sport and Media.

1749
01:35:16,120 --> 01:35:31,200
Have you ever driven through a forest?

1750
01:35:31,200 --> 01:35:41,160
to dawn fast you haven't driven anywhere until you've driven a Renault don't mind

1751
01:35:41,160 --> 01:35:49,460
that skip on there skip skip on to the next bit there impressive boot space you

1752
01:35:49,460 --> 01:35:55,360
can get anything inside this boot it's got an extra side hatch as well for when

1753
01:35:55,360 --> 01:36:01,600
times get tough lift up the side hatch compatibility unit and you've got an

1754
01:36:01,600 --> 01:36:09,160
extra spare bit of fucking space to hide your stuff ride the load and load the

1755
01:36:09,160 --> 01:36:17,520
ride put the seats down and change the dynamic of the way you drive your vehicle

1756
01:36:17,520 --> 01:36:46,760
space is yours make use of it when you can the new Renault Arkham the Renault Triber life on demand for when you need it when times get tough Renault will be there for you Renault proudly sponsoring the joint committee on tourism culture arts sport and media Ryan did nothing wrong

1757
01:36:46,760 --> 01:37:16,000
remember that and know as well he's sound the time has come to drive again are you ready but you didn't know it was gonna come so fast me neither feel the power

1758
01:37:16,000 --> 01:37:41,000
the power underneath your seat of pure electric magic a hybrid to end all hybrids a beautiful blend of machinery and sustainability cruise through open fields and road like a king of the night and day Renault pure French magic

1759
01:37:41,000 --> 01:38:02,000
proudly sponsoring the joint committee on tourism culture arts sports media it's coming back in five minutes hold on tight the Renault renaissance

1760
01:38:02,000 --> 01:38:31,980
plenty of boot space for your Renault merchandise and competitive price to 235 euro per month starting price 28,000 990 it's a lot of money but break it down get a loan out or something you want to drive the latest year car to make other people see that you're doing well even if you even if it's on a low just get that loan and get it going you'll feel good in

1761
01:38:31,980 --> 01:38:52,860
yourself as well Renault. Once upon a time in a land far far away a hybrid like

1762
01:38:52,860 --> 01:39:05,220
none other came out to play the Renault Arcana premium Renault magic it's a it's an iconic triptonic

1763
01:39:05,220 --> 01:39:14,240
supersonic electronic 29,000 euro beast machine committee room 4 proudly sponsors the Renault

1764
01:39:14,240 --> 01:39:30,000
dream it's a premium price but the price is like none other Arcana feel the dream drive the machine

1765
01:39:30,000 --> 01:39:40,040
Renault in association with Carzone proudly sponsors the joint committee on tourism culture arts sport and

1766
01:39:40,040 --> 01:39:46,040
media.

1767
01:39:46,040 --> 01:39:52,040
So

1768
01:39:52,040 --> 01:39:58,040
so

1769
01:39:58,040 --> 01:40:04,040
so

1770
01:40:04,040 --> 01:40:10,040
so

1771
01:40:10,040 --> 01:40:10,040
so

1772
01:40:10,040 --> 01:40:16,040
so

1773
01:40:16,040 --> 01:40:16,040
so

1774
01:40:16,040 --> 01:40:22,040
so

1775
01:40:22,040 --> 01:40:28,040
so

1776
01:40:28,040 --> 01:40:28,040
so

1777
01:40:28,040 --> 01:40:28,040
so

1778
01:40:28,040 --> 01:40:30,040
so

1779
01:40:30,040 --> 01:40:30,040
so

1780
01:40:30,040 --> 01:40:32,040
so

1781
01:40:32,040 --> 01:40:34,040
so

1782
01:40:34,040 --> 01:40:36,040
so

1783
01:40:36,040 --> 01:40:36,040
so

1784
01:40:36,040 --> 01:40:38,040
so

1785
01:40:38,040 --> 01:40:39,220
at the same time as well.

1786
01:40:39,580 --> 01:40:41,560
Of only 2.11% APR,

1787
01:40:42,000 --> 01:40:43,920
the hybrid and electric Renault range

1788
01:40:43,920 --> 01:40:45,140
is waiting for you now.

1789
01:40:45,660 --> 01:40:46,680
Passion for life.

1790
01:40:47,500 --> 01:40:49,180
Proud sponsors of the Joint Committee

1791
01:40:49,180 --> 01:40:51,160
on Tourism, Culture, Arts, and Sporting Media.

1792
01:40:52,300 --> 01:40:53,740
We work hard

1793
01:40:53,740 --> 01:40:57,760
to develop our hybrid and electric technology,

1794
01:40:57,760 --> 01:40:58,980
not just for one,

1795
01:40:59,980 --> 01:41:01,680
but for all.

1796
01:41:02,840 --> 01:41:04,320
One Renault for all.

1797
01:41:06,160 --> 01:41:07,840
One all for Renault.

1798
01:41:08,800 --> 01:41:10,540
E-Tech hybrid technology

1799
01:41:10,540 --> 01:41:11,860
born to perform.

1800
01:41:12,660 --> 01:41:14,200
The number one electric vehicle

1801
01:41:14,200 --> 01:41:15,280
in Ireland 2020.

1802
01:41:16,040 --> 01:41:18,380
Renault. Cream your dream tonight.

1803
01:41:22,120 --> 01:41:24,580
Who the fuck do you think you are

1804
01:41:24,580 --> 01:41:26,240
watching these adverts?

1805
01:41:26,680 --> 01:41:28,320
You're not even worthy

1806
01:41:28,320 --> 01:41:31,280
of the new Renault Arcana range.

1807
01:41:32,740 --> 01:41:34,100
Have you got the money?

1808
01:41:34,740 --> 01:41:35,520
If you don't,

1809
01:41:35,920 --> 01:41:36,840
you're gonna have to beg,

1810
01:41:37,120 --> 01:41:37,920
borrow, fight,

1811
01:41:38,120 --> 01:41:39,500
fuck your way to survive

1812
01:41:39,500 --> 01:41:41,180
in order to get the capital

1813
01:41:41,180 --> 01:41:44,340
to really drive into the night.

1814
01:41:44,860 --> 01:41:45,840
And who could blame you?

1815
01:41:47,140 --> 01:41:48,000
It's a continental,

1816
01:41:48,780 --> 01:41:49,340
medium,

1817
01:41:49,700 --> 01:41:51,060
Irish medium crossover

1818
01:41:51,060 --> 01:41:52,980
SUV of the year 2022.

1819
01:41:55,080 --> 01:41:56,480
You either have the money for it,

1820
01:41:57,160 --> 01:41:58,040
or you don't.

1821
01:41:58,040 --> 01:41:59,300
you're going to have to be a good one.

1822
01:41:59,300 --> 01:41:59,720
You're going to have to be a good one.

1823
01:41:59,720 --> 01:42:00,560
You're going to have to be a good one.

1824
01:42:00,560 --> 01:42:01,020
You're going to have to be a good one.

1825
01:42:01,020 --> 01:42:01,600
You're going to have to be a good one.

1826
01:42:01,600 --> 01:42:02,460
You're going to have to be a good one.

1827
01:42:02,460 --> 01:42:02,880
You're going to have to be a good one.

1828
01:42:02,880 --> 01:42:03,320
You're going to have to be a good one.

1829
01:42:03,320 --> 01:42:03,820
You're going to have to be a good one.

1830
01:42:03,820 --> 01:42:04,820
You're going to have to be a good one.

1831
01:42:04,820 --> 01:42:05,380
You're going to have to be a good one.

1832
01:42:05,380 --> 01:42:05,820
You're going to have to be a good one.

1833
01:42:05,820 --> 01:42:06,500
You're going to have to be a good one.

1834
01:42:06,500 --> 01:42:06,760
You're going to have to be a good one.

1835
01:42:06,820 --> 01:42:07,660
You're going to have to be a good one.

1836
01:42:07,660 --> 01:42:37,640
You're going to have to be a good one.

1837
01:42:37,640 --> 01:42:47,260
You're going to have to be a good one.

1838
01:42:47,260 --> 01:42:53,420
You're going to have to be a good one.

1839
01:42:53,420 --> 01:42:55,640
You're going to have to be a good one.

1840
01:42:55,640 --> 01:42:58,300
It's time to fucking play with the big boys.

1841
01:42:58,300 --> 01:43:00,380
Challenge us if you can.

1842
01:43:00,980 --> 01:43:03,720
With the new Renault V6 Challenge.

1843
01:43:04,540 --> 01:43:07,960
We invite anyone to try and speed against us.

1844
01:43:08,860 --> 01:43:11,680
We're going to be in the Renault taxi, Megan.

1845
01:43:12,820 --> 01:43:14,860
Doing 90 around Paris.

1846
01:43:15,740 --> 01:43:17,680
Nothing gay about Paris tonight.

1847
01:43:18,800 --> 01:43:21,160
We're behind the wheel of a rocket ship to Mars.

1848
01:43:22,120 --> 01:43:24,080
You've either got it or you don't.

1849
01:43:24,160 --> 01:43:25,660
We're to Senator Micheál Carrey.

1850
01:43:25,820 --> 01:43:27,460
The floor is yours and you have ten minutes.

1851
01:43:28,000 --> 01:43:30,440
Thanks very much, Chair, to welcome both of us.

1852
01:43:30,440 --> 01:43:32,760
This is your this morning.

1853
01:43:32,920 --> 01:43:40,960
I think you'd be remiss of me not, while we're discussing what we're discussing today, not acknowledge the good work that you've done down through the years.

1854
01:43:41,320 --> 01:43:47,600
You know, the joy in particular to those as a parent of young kids that the joy show does provide on an annual basis in our house.

1855
01:43:47,600 --> 01:43:49,780
So I just want to acknowledge that.

1856
01:43:49,860 --> 01:43:50,500
I appreciate that.

1857
01:43:50,600 --> 01:43:50,960
Thank you.

1858
01:43:51,240 --> 01:43:59,440
First of all, Mr. Kelly, I'm just going to come to yourself just in relation to the whole, I suppose, deal as such as it is.

1859
01:44:00,100 --> 01:44:04,980
If I buy a car and I go to a car dealer, I pay for a car and I get an invoice for a car.

1860
01:44:05,660 --> 01:44:08,620
If I ask for an invoice for a lorry, I won't get it.

1861
01:44:12,060 --> 01:44:19,220
Why, when you were inviced, did you use the term that you did on the invoice?

1862
01:44:19,300 --> 01:44:22,040
I was put forward by RT even though you knew it was factually incorrect.

1863
01:44:22,400 --> 01:44:25,060
Because that's what they asked us to do.

1864
01:44:25,240 --> 01:44:26,660
Even though you knew it was factually incorrect.

1865
01:44:26,660 --> 01:44:31,200
I am sorry if I could just clarify for a second.

1866
01:44:36,320 --> 01:44:44,280
So on page 25 in the pack there, instructions for invoicing from RTE.

1867
01:44:44,740 --> 01:44:51,100
That's what they asked us to do and I had no reason not to trust them.

1868
01:44:51,600 --> 01:44:54,140
But as I say, as you know, it's factually incorrect.

1869
01:44:54,140 --> 01:44:57,660
You yourself are a company director, many, many years of experience.

1870
01:44:58,800 --> 01:45:00,960
It's surprising to me that you didn't question it.

1871
01:45:01,540 --> 01:45:12,980
The fact that it was to a company based in the UK, not as in the first year, which was to Renault, which was for 75,000 plus VAT, 17,250.

1872
01:45:13,680 --> 01:45:22,420
The two invoices then for both 21 and 22 were to the UK at a 0% VAT.

1873
01:45:23,220 --> 01:45:30,400
Would that not arise questions in your own mind about the fact that this was an invoice for services?

1874
01:45:30,400 --> 01:45:31,340
Drive the team!

1875
01:45:31,340 --> 01:45:37,240
And the fact that it wasn't even VAT rated or was zero VAT rated to a company through the UK.

1876
01:45:37,780 --> 01:45:38,020
Sure.

1877
01:45:40,460 --> 01:45:41,780
My antenna wasn't open.

1878
01:45:41,920 --> 01:45:42,940
I just trusted RTE.

1879
01:45:45,380 --> 01:45:46,840
Where the instructions came from.

1880
01:45:48,180 --> 01:45:55,540
I didn't find that hard to believe, someone with the experience that you have as a company director, that that wouldn't.

1881
01:45:56,040 --> 01:46:03,160
And anyone that would be auditing or within your own internal company that wouldn't have a flag wouldn't have been raised in relation to that.

1882
01:46:03,380 --> 01:46:09,580
What percentage did you get, say, of the Renault deal, which was in year one, which totaled, as I say, 92,250.

1883
01:46:10,220 --> 01:46:14,320
Could you get a cut out of that deal or was that solely for Mr. Traverdee?

1884
01:46:17,520 --> 01:46:17,920
Confer!

1885
01:46:20,900 --> 01:46:26,120
To be honest, we've come to talk about the issues that are here.

1886
01:46:26,300 --> 01:46:27,320
I don't feel it's relevant.

1887
01:46:28,740 --> 01:46:29,600
What percentage?

1888
01:46:32,600 --> 01:46:37,140
I just really want to know, was there a percentage for yourself in that arrangement that was put together with RTE?

1889
01:46:37,460 --> 01:46:38,740
You were saying it was with RTE.

1890
01:46:38,920 --> 01:46:40,920
I just want to know, was there a percentage for NK?

1891
01:46:43,300 --> 01:46:48,900
Did you benefit financially from this arrangement over the three-year term in any way?

1892
01:46:49,060 --> 01:46:51,620
Or was it solely the benefit of Tuttle?

1893
01:46:54,140 --> 01:47:01,120
As I said, we came to talk about the issues at hand, but that's not one of the issues.

1894
01:47:01,220 --> 01:47:02,680
But this is core to the issue at hand.

1895
01:47:02,840 --> 01:47:03,360
That's the question.

1896
01:47:03,440 --> 01:47:04,400
That's why I'm asking the question.

1897
01:47:04,400 --> 01:47:14,780
These were the questions put by the committee to us, and that's what we've been working on.

1898
01:47:16,440 --> 01:47:19,320
Do I not have a right, maybe, Chair, to ask the question?

1899
01:47:19,400 --> 01:47:22,200
Because I think it is relevant to what we're discussing.

1900
01:47:26,740 --> 01:47:28,800
It's not relevant.

1901
01:47:32,160 --> 01:47:33,540
I think it is.

1902
01:47:34,300 --> 01:47:35,620
I think it's completely relevant.

1903
01:47:35,780 --> 01:47:37,540
I'm sorry, should I give the Chair?

1904
01:47:37,780 --> 01:47:40,600
Take care of his £75,000 payments.

1905
01:47:40,900 --> 01:47:45,080
If they were via taxpayer's money, I think he has an obligation to answer that question.

1906
01:47:45,080 --> 01:47:46,280
Okay, can I take some advice here?

1907
01:47:50,280 --> 01:48:08,740
Mr Kerry, I've been told that it's not within remit.

1908
01:48:08,740 --> 01:48:15,620
However, if Mr Kerry does want to answer, I think, taking your comments, you don't want to answer that question at this moment in time.

1909
01:48:16,000 --> 01:48:16,260
Okay.

1910
01:48:17,660 --> 01:48:18,340
Next question.

1911
01:48:18,380 --> 01:48:20,740
I think that's disappointing.

1912
01:48:21,500 --> 01:48:24,920
I think, as we said at the beginning, we were trying to get all the facts to all the questions.

1913
01:48:25,620 --> 01:48:31,140
It's disappointing that you wouldn't answer that question, because I think it's core to the whole situation.

1914
01:48:31,300 --> 01:48:43,340
But staying on that, why did you invoice for the second two years from a different company, CMS, rather than NK, which you invoiced in the first year?

1915
01:48:44,000 --> 01:48:54,440
And also, you might ask me, in the documents that we have here, as I look at, there are certain email addresses redacted within it, within the documentation over and back.

1916
01:48:55,660 --> 01:49:02,120
Some names, some email addresses are there, particularly Gerlina O'Leary in correspondence over and back.

1917
01:49:02,660 --> 01:49:06,540
But others at RTE are redacted.

1918
01:49:07,160 --> 01:49:10,300
Who are, whose email addresses are redacted?

1919
01:49:10,380 --> 01:49:13,740
And who is Jay on page 11?

1920
01:49:13,860 --> 01:49:14,740
I'm assuming that's Jim Kelly.

1921
01:49:14,820 --> 01:49:19,340
If I could read out to you, we got a letter from Arthur Cox, and it says,

1922
01:49:19,820 --> 01:49:22,840
Your clients, Ryan Troubledy and NK Management, our client, RTE.

1923
01:49:23,180 --> 01:49:31,400
Dear colleagues, we understand that Mr Troubledy and Mr Kelly have agreed to attend the Dahl Committee of Public Accounts and the Rockets Joint Committee on Tourism, Culture, Arts, Sport, Media on the 11th of July.

1924
01:49:32,260 --> 01:49:36,640
To that extent, your clients have been requested to provide documentation to committees.

1925
01:49:37,000 --> 01:49:43,860
Our clients request that they ensure that they do so in accordance with their obligations pursuant to the Data General Protection Regulation, GDPR.

1926
01:49:44,260 --> 01:49:52,160
Our clients also request that it is provided with copies of all documents that your clients intend to provide to the committees in advance of your clients' attendance at the Dahl Committee.

1927
01:49:52,720 --> 01:49:58,780
Our clients are at 11.30, 3.30pm, 11 July 23.

1928
01:49:59,060 --> 01:50:08,880
So we've tried to provide you with absolutely everything, and this is Arthur Cox on behalf of RT asking us to redact some information.

1929
01:50:09,460 --> 01:50:15,900
So Arthur Cox has said to redact certain email addresses, but not other email addresses of the correspondence over and back.

1930
01:50:18,400 --> 01:50:20,440
That's necessary to comply with GDPR.

1931
01:50:21,380 --> 01:50:23,000
Why provide some and not others?

1932
01:50:23,120 --> 01:50:25,320
If GDPR, then it'll be autoredacted.

1933
01:50:25,920 --> 01:50:27,100
I honestly don't know.

1934
01:50:30,920 --> 01:50:31,800
Sorry, yeah.

1935
01:50:32,300 --> 01:50:44,040
Sorry, it was proportionality where you can redact junior people that aren't, they have no problem with the executives, but any junior staff they didn't want, from a GDPR perspective, their names.

1936
01:50:45,320 --> 01:50:48,700
Well then that would tell us that there's other staff, other people acknowledge that these agreements.

1937
01:50:48,700 --> 01:50:50,860
Where are we even at here? I don't even know where we're at.

1938
01:50:50,860 --> 01:50:52,600
And where's the fucking attack dogs?

1939
01:50:52,600 --> 01:50:54,700
We need to get some more attack dogs in there.

1940
01:50:55,620 --> 01:50:59,200
We've had ten minutes fresh break, now it seems like there's a softballer.

1941
01:50:59,440 --> 01:51:01,400
We don't need any more softballers.

1942
01:51:01,540 --> 01:51:02,420
We want Boyd Barrett.

1943
01:51:02,960 --> 01:51:04,320
We want Matty McGrath.

1944
01:51:04,640 --> 01:51:06,380
We want a few other fucking...

1945
01:51:06,380 --> 01:51:11,900
People who are off the chain, ready to chomp, you know?

1946
01:51:11,900 --> 01:51:16,360
Thanks very much to Jacob Rees-Tubbs and Richard Boyd Barrett.

1947
01:51:16,860 --> 01:51:18,300
Artful Maverick, thank you very much.

1948
01:51:19,140 --> 01:51:27,720
I'll tell you, the Renault, the Renault Megane or the Renault slogan of drive the change really took me by surprise.

1949
01:51:27,840 --> 01:51:29,540
I didn't think they'd go for something like that.

1950
01:51:30,600 --> 01:51:34,800
It really fit in with everything we were going for, everything we dreamed about.

1951
01:51:34,880 --> 01:51:38,980
I think that's really pertinent to sort of April-ish time, 22.

1952
01:51:39,480 --> 01:51:43,820
I'm saying January to March, leading up to these invoices being raised.

1953
01:51:44,260 --> 01:51:50,720
What was the discussion from NK to RTE looking for these invoices to be fulfilled,

1954
01:51:50,840 --> 01:51:52,540
or looking for the contract to be fulfilled?

1955
01:51:52,840 --> 01:51:56,220
I just would like to know who initiated that conversation,

1956
01:51:56,420 --> 01:51:58,460
and just to see that conversation over and back,

1957
01:51:58,880 --> 01:52:03,260
which formed disagreement being put together with regard to invoice and actus.

1958
01:52:03,900 --> 01:52:06,720
We don't have that information in the weeks leading into it.

1959
01:52:06,720 --> 01:52:07,280
Yeah.

1960
01:52:09,580 --> 01:52:10,100
Yeah.

1961
01:52:10,540 --> 01:52:13,800
Again, that's in the document, page 25.

1962
01:52:14,660 --> 01:52:17,620
No, them documents are dated the 29th of April,

1963
01:52:18,280 --> 01:52:20,720
which are from, hi, Jarlene, from Jay.

1964
01:52:20,800 --> 01:52:24,360
I presume that's Jim Jennings to say use actus,

1965
01:52:24,480 --> 01:52:29,140
but in previous testimony, we were told the previous weeks

1966
01:52:29,140 --> 01:52:33,060
that there was a bit of pressure coming for these amounts to be paid.

1967
01:52:33,540 --> 01:52:36,760
I just would like to see any correspondence over and back

1968
01:52:36,760 --> 01:52:42,120
to see how that conversation happened until we came to this point.

1969
01:52:42,340 --> 01:52:43,900
We don't think there is any.

1970
01:52:45,900 --> 01:52:50,280
So just out of the blue, RTE or Jim Jennings decided

1971
01:52:50,280 --> 01:52:54,620
to email Geraldine O'Leary telling her we need to invoice actus.

1972
01:52:54,620 --> 01:52:55,880
So some conversation.

1973
01:52:56,040 --> 01:52:59,040
It was stated, I can't recall who said it,

1974
01:52:59,120 --> 01:53:00,620
at one of the previous meetings,

1975
01:53:00,920 --> 01:53:03,960
but there was pressure on for these two amounts to be paid.

1976
01:53:03,960 --> 01:53:05,800
I don't like eating this much chocolate,

1977
01:53:05,960 --> 01:53:07,360
but I'm in the mood.

1978
01:53:07,600 --> 01:53:08,700
I'd like to see correspondents...

1979
01:53:08,700 --> 01:53:11,660
I don't really like to be eating too much chocolate of a day,

1980
01:53:11,800 --> 01:53:13,800
especially when it gets a bit late like this, you know.

1981
01:53:14,680 --> 01:53:18,540
Same with the coffee, but I do need a little bit of a boost here,

1982
01:53:18,600 --> 01:53:21,020
because they've got the softballers in,

1983
01:53:21,220 --> 01:53:25,040
and the softballers aren't yielding any line grass sort of fucking questions.

1984
01:53:25,560 --> 01:53:28,100
The guys that were in before they took the break,

1985
01:53:28,240 --> 01:53:30,120
they took a break because they were on the ropes.

1986
01:53:30,640 --> 01:53:34,420
So we need to get some fucking heavy-duty maulers in there.

1987
01:53:34,520 --> 01:53:35,940
There's nobody giving them a mauling.

1988
01:53:37,940 --> 01:53:44,440
So you did not elicit a contact RTE at any stage looking for these two amounts to be paid.

1989
01:53:44,860 --> 01:53:47,580
They came to you looking to put this deal in place.

1990
01:53:47,580 --> 01:53:50,500
Yeah, and agreement there.

1991
01:53:50,680 --> 01:53:51,540
A few people...

1992
01:53:51,540 --> 01:53:55,480
We need someone, as Conrad says,

1993
01:53:55,540 --> 01:53:57,800
we need someone to go for the jugular here.

1994
01:53:58,500 --> 01:54:01,260
The Fianna Fáil, Fianna Gael guys are not cutting it.

1995
01:54:01,260 --> 01:54:03,760
from NK to fulfil the contract.

1996
01:54:05,440 --> 01:54:07,480
We will get all that information.

1997
01:54:07,680 --> 01:54:08,780
We will elicit it.

1998
01:54:09,360 --> 01:54:11,320
And Senator Kerry, just to conclude...

1999
01:54:11,320 --> 01:54:13,520
Apologies now that I was held up for a couple of minutes...

2000
01:54:13,520 --> 01:54:14,180
That's OK, yeah, yeah.

2001
01:54:14,180 --> 01:54:15,160
I'm just reminding you.

2002
01:54:15,940 --> 01:54:19,180
I'm delighted that you clarified the fact that the money will be refunded

2003
01:54:19,180 --> 01:54:21,580
if the six shows don't take place.

2004
01:54:21,580 --> 01:54:21,940
Absolutely.

2005
01:54:22,060 --> 01:54:22,460
Which...

2006
01:54:22,460 --> 01:54:23,200
I stand by that.

2007
01:54:23,460 --> 01:54:26,420
That would have helped if that had come out earlier, to be quite honest.

2008
01:54:26,540 --> 01:54:26,640
Yeah.

2009
01:54:26,640 --> 01:54:28,860
Today was the first of it because there's something...

2010
01:54:28,860 --> 01:54:31,480
I know I felt very strongly that that money needs to be paid back.

2011
01:54:31,580 --> 01:54:32,840
I know taxes have been paid on it.

2012
01:54:32,840 --> 01:54:38,060
We've had, you know, this three weeks to put together,

2013
01:54:38,260 --> 01:54:40,740
as comprehensive and as transparent as possible,

2014
01:54:41,620 --> 01:54:45,140
a series of documents so that you as senators

2015
01:54:45,140 --> 01:54:49,380
and deputies with a lot more, I suspect, serious things to be dealing with,

2016
01:54:49,880 --> 01:54:53,260
can hopefully get through this fog and come out the other side.

2017
01:54:55,040 --> 01:54:55,820
This is serious.

2018
01:54:55,820 --> 01:54:56,020
I'm hoping.

2019
01:54:56,360 --> 01:54:56,820
No, no, no.

2020
01:54:57,260 --> 01:54:58,560
I'm not trying to diminish this.

2021
01:54:58,640 --> 01:55:01,120
I'm just saying in a country with a lot going on...

2022
01:55:01,120 --> 01:55:01,960
It's licensure money.

2023
01:55:02,080 --> 01:55:02,780
It's taxpayers' money.

2024
01:55:02,960 --> 01:55:03,900
I appreciate that too.

2025
01:55:03,900 --> 01:55:04,360
It is serious.

2026
01:55:04,480 --> 01:55:05,500
There are many serious issues.

2027
01:55:05,760 --> 01:55:06,280
Apologies now.

2028
01:55:06,380 --> 01:55:07,740
I'm going to be caught on time.

2029
01:55:07,880 --> 01:55:09,140
But just...

2030
01:55:09,140 --> 01:55:12,720
Would you say, Mr. Kelly, you know,

2031
01:55:12,760 --> 01:55:15,700
how much advertising or product do you bring in to RTE?

2032
01:55:15,820 --> 01:55:17,440
Because you carry a lot of clout,

2033
01:55:18,000 --> 01:55:20,580
and I'd say you'll be able to get a better deal for your clients

2034
01:55:20,580 --> 01:55:24,080
due to what you bring to the table from other areas.

2035
01:55:24,760 --> 01:55:27,880
What would you bring in to RTE yourself as regards

2036
01:55:27,880 --> 01:55:30,500
from other organisations or companies?

2037
01:55:32,000 --> 01:55:35,480
Very little apart from I negotiate contracts,

2038
01:55:35,580 --> 01:55:40,040
and then if we have some younger people or whatever they be

2039
01:55:40,040 --> 01:55:40,800
that we're working with,

2040
01:55:40,860 --> 01:55:43,940
if we try to get sponsored for some of their shows...

2041
01:55:43,940 --> 01:55:44,220
You have been paying in line.

2042
01:55:44,220 --> 01:55:45,840
...with an independent production company,

2043
01:55:46,000 --> 01:55:47,960
and then we can try and put that on Virgin,

2044
01:55:48,120 --> 01:55:50,140
or we can try and put that on RTE,

2045
01:55:50,400 --> 01:55:52,880
or streaming services.

2046
01:55:52,880 --> 01:55:54,880
So it's...

2047
01:55:54,880 --> 01:55:57,680
The whole media model's changing, you know.

2048
01:56:00,100 --> 01:56:03,660
It's hard to look at anybody now to say

2049
01:56:03,660 --> 01:56:04,700
who they might be listening to,

2050
01:56:04,760 --> 01:56:05,460
what they're watching.

2051
01:56:05,740 --> 01:56:07,700
You know, I certainly know in my own house,

2052
01:56:07,760 --> 01:56:09,980
all my own kids are just watching everything

2053
01:56:09,980 --> 01:56:10,800
on all sorts of devices.

2054
01:56:10,940 --> 01:56:12,180
So it's a changing market.

2055
01:56:12,420 --> 01:56:13,880
And you have no other agreements or any other...

2056
01:56:13,880 --> 01:56:15,180
Carrie, we do have to move on.

2057
01:56:15,220 --> 01:56:15,860
Just a couple of minutes.

2058
01:56:16,080 --> 01:56:16,760
I apologise now.

2059
01:56:16,760 --> 01:56:17,160
Please, please do.

2060
01:56:17,340 --> 01:56:18,100
Way over time.

2061
01:56:18,500 --> 01:56:20,640
Man, this question's going to be a softball.

2062
01:56:20,720 --> 01:56:21,340
It's going to be rubbish.

2063
01:56:21,340 --> 01:56:23,480
Being notified Mr Kelly was here...

2064
01:56:23,480 --> 01:56:25,060
Kelly's loving this.

2065
01:56:25,200 --> 01:56:27,600
...other information with regard to the time scales

2066
01:56:27,600 --> 01:56:31,620
of you notifying RTE and then the announcement.

2067
01:56:32,240 --> 01:56:34,260
And I think the date you gave me was...

2068
01:56:34,260 --> 01:56:36,780
RTE was notified on the 13th by herself, if I correct,

2069
01:56:36,840 --> 01:56:38,260
and then was announced on the 16th.

2070
01:56:38,800 --> 01:56:40,260
13th was a Monday, 14th.

2071
01:56:40,260 --> 01:56:41,560
The 16th was the Thursday.

2072
01:56:42,060 --> 01:56:43,320
He just stated that he...

2073
01:56:43,320 --> 01:56:44,560
And he's going to come back to the committee,

2074
01:56:44,760 --> 01:56:45,940
our committee, with emails,

2075
01:56:46,100 --> 01:56:48,240
because he stated that there was emails

2076
01:56:48,240 --> 01:56:49,820
previously that month,

2077
01:56:50,360 --> 01:56:52,380
which was putting together a list of names,

2078
01:56:52,780 --> 01:56:54,780
as potential replacement names,

2079
01:56:55,140 --> 01:56:58,600
for the role as a late judge.

2080
01:56:58,600 --> 01:57:00,680
Sorry, Senator, who is this?

2081
01:57:01,240 --> 01:57:01,900
Adrian Kelly.

2082
01:57:02,500 --> 01:57:03,220
Adrian Lynch.

2083
01:57:03,500 --> 01:57:04,500
Sorry, Adrian Lynch.

2084
01:57:04,740 --> 01:57:06,500
That he was putting together lists of...

2085
01:57:06,500 --> 01:57:07,500
No, there was a list...

2086
01:57:07,500 --> 01:57:08,080
There was a list of...

2087
01:57:08,080 --> 01:57:09,160
An email with a list...

2088
01:57:09,160 --> 01:57:09,160
Adrian Kelly.

2089
01:57:09,160 --> 01:57:10,380
He was going to provide us with them emails.

2090
01:57:10,500 --> 01:57:11,080
Sponsored by email.

2091
01:57:11,080 --> 01:57:12,480
I will have to move on, Senator Carey.

2092
01:57:12,480 --> 01:57:14,720
But I will address your point.

2093
01:57:15,300 --> 01:57:16,780
You will hear 10,000 stories

2094
01:57:16,780 --> 01:57:21,440
about how the Late Late Show decision came to pass.

2095
01:57:22,160 --> 01:57:23,700
There's only one, I believe,

2096
01:57:24,300 --> 01:57:24,880
and that's mine.

2097
01:57:25,600 --> 01:57:26,580
I presented that show.

2098
01:57:27,040 --> 01:57:28,200
I loved working with those people.

2099
01:57:28,820 --> 01:57:29,840
I loved the audience.

2100
01:57:30,260 --> 01:57:31,120
I loved the job.

2101
01:57:31,400 --> 01:57:32,640
I did it for 14 years.

2102
01:57:33,320 --> 01:57:34,560
I ran out of gas.

2103
01:57:35,280 --> 01:57:36,300
I chose to leave.

2104
01:57:36,920 --> 01:57:38,620
There is no conspiracy.

2105
01:57:39,000 --> 01:57:41,980
Now, people will choose to create one

2106
01:57:41,980 --> 01:57:43,360
to muddy the waters,

2107
01:57:43,500 --> 01:57:45,260
but that is the greatest definitive

2108
01:57:45,260 --> 01:57:46,060
I can offer you today.

2109
01:57:46,340 --> 01:57:46,820
I have one minute.

2110
01:57:46,980 --> 01:57:47,460
I apologise.

2111
01:57:47,700 --> 01:57:49,560
I got held up with the train of thought.

2112
01:57:49,560 --> 01:57:51,320
I know, I know, but I have given you loads of latitude.

2113
01:57:51,580 --> 01:57:52,500
In 30 seconds.

2114
01:57:52,640 --> 01:57:54,260
Yeah, no, just in relation to Toy Show,

2115
01:57:54,320 --> 01:57:56,640
the musical, page 11 states about LS Live,

2116
01:57:57,680 --> 01:57:58,800
and you've discussed that,

2117
01:57:58,860 --> 01:58:00,040
the possibility of a live show.

2118
01:58:00,220 --> 01:58:01,300
To be honest, my opinion,

2119
01:58:01,620 --> 01:58:02,880
and we met with people here

2120
01:58:02,880 --> 01:58:03,840
with regard to the musical,

2121
01:58:04,000 --> 01:58:05,140
which was a fantastic idea.

2122
01:58:05,140 --> 01:58:06,460
It drives the change.

2123
01:58:06,920 --> 01:58:07,640
But the fact, I think,

2124
01:58:07,720 --> 01:58:09,920
that you weren't involved,

2125
01:58:10,060 --> 01:58:11,660
I think it was a loser,

2126
01:58:11,820 --> 01:58:13,280
say, from the beginning.

2127
01:58:13,380 --> 01:58:14,520
Oh, no, that wasn't my...

2128
01:58:14,520 --> 01:58:15,700
It was just because of time.

2129
01:58:15,920 --> 01:58:16,540
But I'm just saying,

2130
01:58:17,220 --> 01:58:18,940
one, why did you not want to get involved?

2131
01:58:19,260 --> 01:58:20,720
And two, the fact is that

2132
01:58:20,720 --> 01:58:21,940
the two producers of that show,

2133
01:58:22,020 --> 01:58:23,120
which lost 2.2 million,

2134
01:58:23,200 --> 01:58:24,460
have actually been promoted since.

2135
01:58:24,660 --> 01:58:25,260
And one is actually,

2136
01:58:25,420 --> 01:58:26,320
from my understanding,

2137
01:58:26,540 --> 01:58:28,100
are they a producer on The Late Late?

2138
01:58:28,440 --> 01:58:31,040
But that's all RTs to answer.

2139
01:58:31,400 --> 01:58:33,460
I tell you, the two producers in question

2140
01:58:33,460 --> 01:58:34,780
worked on The Late Late show with me.

2141
01:58:34,860 --> 01:58:36,560
they were superb people to work with.

2142
01:58:36,980 --> 01:58:38,680
But the musical is a question for RT.

2143
01:58:39,320 --> 01:58:40,960
And just in relation to the Toy Show Fund,

2144
01:58:41,060 --> 01:58:42,860
it's just questions that have been asked.

2145
01:58:43,440 --> 01:58:44,560
Is that all 100%?

2146
01:58:44,740 --> 01:58:46,220
The money's raised to the Toy Show Fund,

2147
01:58:46,220 --> 01:58:48,440
100% goes out to charities.

2148
01:58:48,520 --> 01:58:49,260
None of it goes to RT.

2149
01:58:49,320 --> 01:58:51,380
It's one of the greatest legacies I'll have.

2150
01:58:51,440 --> 01:58:54,560
Even if I am given the royal order of the boot from RT on Friday,

2151
01:58:54,820 --> 01:58:57,680
I'll be able to walk out of those gates with my head held high,

2152
01:58:58,000 --> 01:59:00,800
knowing that Irish people, year in, year out,

2153
01:59:00,800 --> 01:59:01,800
in the last three years,

2154
01:59:01,920 --> 01:59:03,520
offered year one, 6 million,

2155
01:59:03,660 --> 01:59:04,740
year two, 6 million,

2156
01:59:04,880 --> 01:59:06,320
year three, 4 million,

2157
01:59:06,560 --> 01:59:07,420
out of their back pockets

2158
01:59:07,420 --> 01:59:08,880
when things weren't going pretty well.

2159
01:59:08,940 --> 01:59:12,060
And they have gone to 32 counties on this island

2160
01:59:12,060 --> 01:59:13,120
to children's charities.

2161
01:59:13,500 --> 01:59:14,520
It is a beautiful thing.

2162
01:59:14,600 --> 01:59:15,040
Thank you, Mr Toby.

2163
01:59:15,040 --> 01:59:15,820
And thank you to the Irish people.

2164
01:59:15,960 --> 01:59:16,900
I'm now moving on.

2165
01:59:16,900 --> 01:59:19,140
I'm calling on Deputy Matty McGrath.

2166
01:59:19,240 --> 01:59:20,100
Please, the floor is yours.

2167
01:59:20,180 --> 01:59:20,780
You have 10 minutes.

2168
01:59:20,980 --> 01:59:23,720
I'm delighted to meet you upstairs.

2169
01:59:24,060 --> 01:59:25,660
I'm in the cup, Ryan,

2170
01:59:25,900 --> 01:59:27,540
and you asked me with the badge,

2171
01:59:27,620 --> 01:59:30,800
and your late granddad was with Lee mentioned.

2172
01:59:31,140 --> 01:59:32,460
And as was your father, obviously.

2173
01:59:32,500 --> 01:59:32,860
Yeah, Lee.

2174
01:59:33,220 --> 01:59:35,600
And look, sometimes, if you're out of a job Friday,

2175
01:59:35,880 --> 01:59:37,240
which you seem to think you might be,

2176
01:59:37,620 --> 01:59:39,660
be welcome down to retrace the footsteps

2177
01:59:39,660 --> 01:59:40,600
and maybe make a film.

2178
01:59:40,980 --> 01:59:41,600
Can you hear us?

2179
01:59:41,680 --> 01:59:42,740
Yes, of course.

2180
01:59:42,860 --> 01:59:43,840
Come on, use your time wisely.

2181
01:59:44,000 --> 01:59:44,460
Come on, have 10 minutes.

2182
01:59:44,460 --> 01:59:45,780
I'm taking the opportunity, Buster.

2183
01:59:45,900 --> 01:59:46,160
Look at...

2184
01:59:46,160 --> 01:59:46,760
Can that be?

2185
01:59:46,840 --> 01:59:47,440
We're here now.

2186
01:59:47,640 --> 01:59:48,320
Welcome our guests.

2187
01:59:48,320 --> 01:59:49,140
As you can, of course.

2188
01:59:49,220 --> 01:59:49,880
Welcome our guests.

2189
01:59:50,400 --> 01:59:51,740
and thank you for coming in.

2190
01:59:52,400 --> 01:59:55,180
Mr Kelly, regarding the invices made out to ASTOS,

2191
01:59:55,440 --> 01:59:58,400
is it really legitimate for us to expect...

2192
01:59:58,400 --> 02:00:00,060
Are you to expect that we're understanding

2193
02:00:00,060 --> 02:00:04,260
the reasons why you were advised to make false invices

2194
02:00:04,260 --> 02:00:07,100
out to ASTOS?

2195
02:00:07,560 --> 02:00:10,840
And do you find being asked to submit an invite to ASTOS

2196
02:00:10,840 --> 02:00:12,000
as unusual?

2197
02:00:15,440 --> 02:00:18,500
I think, as I said, with the antenna up now,

2198
02:00:18,820 --> 02:00:20,100
you'd certainly question at the time,

2199
02:00:20,100 --> 02:00:21,580
we didn't question anything.

2200
02:00:21,940 --> 02:00:23,380
It was an instruction from RTA.

2201
02:00:24,680 --> 02:00:25,540
Thank you very much there.

2202
02:00:25,940 --> 02:00:27,720
Translucent Tuberty and Paul Meschel

2203
02:00:27,720 --> 02:00:30,800
and 9-11 Airlines and Richard Boyd Barrett.

2204
02:00:30,920 --> 02:00:31,620
Thank you very much.

2205
02:00:32,020 --> 02:00:32,680
Accounts in the past?

2206
02:00:32,780 --> 02:00:33,240
No, never.

2207
02:00:33,600 --> 02:00:33,820
Never.

2208
02:00:34,280 --> 02:00:34,500
Okay.

2209
02:00:35,060 --> 02:00:36,460
Mr Kelly, how many companies have you

2210
02:00:36,460 --> 02:00:39,440
that you use to invoice RTA for Mr Tuberty's salary?

2211
02:00:39,800 --> 02:00:41,020
I have two companies

2212
02:00:41,020 --> 02:00:46,580
and Mr Tuberty's accountant's invoice for RTA.

2213
02:00:46,580 --> 02:00:47,580
I have two companies.

2214
02:00:47,580 --> 02:00:47,860
I have two companies.

2215
02:00:47,860 --> 02:00:47,960
I have two companies.

2216
02:00:47,960 --> 02:00:48,860
I have two companies.

2217
02:00:48,860 --> 02:00:55,560
And do you now accept, Mr Kelly, that you created false invoices, even if RTA asked you to do so?

2218
02:00:56,060 --> 02:01:00,820
This is actually complicity in a potential financial fraud crime aiding and abetting?

2219
02:01:01,300 --> 02:01:04,780
We didn't raise any false invoices.

2220
02:01:04,780 --> 02:01:07,420
We just raised exactly what was asked of us by RTA.

2221
02:01:08,020 --> 02:01:11,340
But we now know that they weren't legitimate, they were different.

2222
02:01:12,460 --> 02:01:15,480
At all times we thought, Renault were paying the invoices.

2223
02:01:15,480 --> 02:01:18,840
Renault paid the first one and our assumption was that Renault were paying the other ones.

2224
02:01:18,840 --> 02:01:22,980
But again, it was always under instruction.

2225
02:01:23,760 --> 02:01:29,160
Why would the invoice be made out by a sister company, CMS, instead of MKA Management,

2226
02:01:29,680 --> 02:01:32,600
and addressed to a UK company in Estes?

2227
02:01:33,080 --> 02:01:37,780
And which company accounts are these payments reflected?

2228
02:01:38,180 --> 02:01:47,620
Sure. We invoice, both companies could invoice each other, as in NK or CMS.

2229
02:01:47,620 --> 02:01:50,760
Asked us again, was under instruction from RTA.

2230
02:01:50,760 --> 02:01:53,060
So you just took your instructions lightly.

2231
02:01:53,740 --> 02:02:00,080
And one, who exactly in RTA requested you, requested the false invoices,

2232
02:02:00,560 --> 02:02:02,340
be switched to another RTA company?

2233
02:02:03,200 --> 02:02:07,760
That was page 25 from commercial.

2234
02:02:07,760 --> 02:02:13,500
And why was it not an old Cali company so willing to create false invoices?

2235
02:02:14,040 --> 02:02:17,860
Has anybody ever been paid by CMS in the past?

2236
02:02:18,980 --> 02:02:19,860
He could have been, yeah.

2237
02:02:20,240 --> 02:02:25,980
He could have been for, it could have been a CMS event or an NK event, it would depend.

2238
02:02:26,600 --> 02:02:27,040
Could have been.

2239
02:02:27,660 --> 02:02:29,660
And they would go to his company?

2240
02:02:29,660 --> 02:02:36,520
Why was it necessary for false invoices to be switched to another newly created company?

2241
02:02:37,520 --> 02:02:44,740
Again, it was under instruction from RTA to send the invoice as stated.

2242
02:02:46,040 --> 02:02:49,220
Can I ask, Mr Kelly, are you fully tax compliant now?

2243
02:02:49,280 --> 02:02:49,800
Completely.

2244
02:02:50,160 --> 02:02:50,600
Completely.

2245
02:02:51,080 --> 02:02:51,780
Always have been.

2246
02:02:51,780 --> 02:02:58,920
Could I further ask to the Chair, have you ever had arrangements with offshore companies to keep a tax?

2247
02:02:58,920 --> 02:02:59,420
No.

2248
02:02:59,420 --> 02:02:59,540
Not at all.

2249
02:02:59,540 --> 02:03:00,040
Not at all.

2250
02:03:00,040 --> 02:03:01,540
We are a small company.

2251
02:03:02,960 --> 02:03:05,920
We are not RTA, 350 million, we are a small company.

2252
02:03:06,920 --> 02:03:07,360
Okay.

2253
02:03:07,860 --> 02:03:09,060
That's your answer.

2254
02:03:09,920 --> 02:03:22,260
Mr Tuberty, I mean, do you now have, you know, full faith and full confidence in Mr Kelly's, to continue to be your agent after all, has come out at this stage?

2255
02:03:22,540 --> 02:03:23,220
Yes, I do.

2256
02:03:23,480 --> 02:03:25,060
I think that he's explained himself.

2257
02:03:25,060 --> 02:03:32,080
I think he has, at all times, produced a paper trail where it was necessary.

2258
02:03:32,380 --> 02:03:36,640
So, yes, he's always been, had my back in the 20 years we've worked together.

2259
02:03:36,800 --> 02:03:39,040
So, I have no reason to say anything other than that.

2260
02:03:39,400 --> 02:03:46,140
But, like, we're trying to create a new, get everything out and do open, start off, with respect to all the employees and RT and all the listeners.

2261
02:03:46,340 --> 02:03:46,580
Yes.

2262
02:03:46,580 --> 02:03:48,100
I mean, people out there don't.

2263
02:03:48,280 --> 02:03:54,260
So, I mean, by you endorsing Mr Kelly now, it's very hard for people to understand that.

2264
02:03:54,700 --> 02:03:57,160
I thought, Schnuffles, thank you very much.

2265
02:03:57,200 --> 02:03:57,900
I'll beat your rest.

2266
02:03:58,140 --> 02:03:58,460
Sorry, sorry.

2267
02:03:58,720 --> 02:04:00,500
Again, my mic coming in hot.

2268
02:04:00,680 --> 02:04:03,760
There's a lot of moving parts to this production that you're watching.

2269
02:04:04,320 --> 02:04:05,340
It's not a big budget.

2270
02:04:05,620 --> 02:04:07,880
It's definitely, look, there's a lot of conferring going on.

2271
02:04:07,940 --> 02:04:09,520
A lot of whispering going on there, look.

2272
02:04:20,740 --> 02:04:22,340
Things that weren't supposed to be.

2273
02:04:22,380 --> 02:04:22,940
What do you call that?

2274
02:04:23,480 --> 02:04:24,660
From under instruction.

2275
02:04:24,660 --> 02:04:26,040
I thought, no, sorry.

2276
02:04:27,040 --> 02:04:28,920
Yet again, I just came in hot again.

2277
02:04:29,700 --> 02:04:32,320
These guys are getting a fucking easy ride.

2278
02:04:32,560 --> 02:04:34,880
We need, time is running out here.

2279
02:04:34,980 --> 02:04:35,780
It's done at six.

2280
02:04:36,140 --> 02:04:37,180
They've got 40 minutes.

2281
02:04:37,540 --> 02:04:40,200
This is like a filibuster sort of thing for these guys.

2282
02:04:40,320 --> 02:04:41,180
They're grand with this.

2283
02:04:41,300 --> 02:04:42,860
They want to keep Matty asking questions.

2284
02:04:43,120 --> 02:04:44,740
I thought Matty was going to come in hot.

2285
02:04:45,000 --> 02:04:46,240
He's not, unfortunately.

2286
02:04:46,520 --> 02:04:47,540
He's going smooth with them.

2287
02:04:47,540 --> 02:04:49,860
Mr. Covey, who do you work for?

2288
02:04:50,260 --> 02:04:54,160
I mean, why do you work for RT via the sole trader?

2289
02:04:54,420 --> 02:04:55,600
Yeah, it's a fair question.

2290
02:04:55,960 --> 02:04:56,740
It's a fair question.

2291
02:04:56,960 --> 02:05:06,940
As I recall it, RT along the way decided that people like me, whatever that means, working at a certain level within the organization.

2292
02:05:06,940 --> 02:05:10,300
It doesn't make you better than anyone else, but just makes you probably better paid for sure.

2293
02:05:11,900 --> 02:05:13,540
I think they wanted us.

2294
02:05:13,600 --> 02:05:13,960
Is that right?

2295
02:05:14,060 --> 02:05:14,960
To go sole trader.

2296
02:05:15,620 --> 02:05:24,740
So this is not, sorry to say, this is not my wheelhouse in terms of detail, but that's what they said, go sole trader, and I did.

2297
02:05:25,080 --> 02:05:30,920
And I'm in a position where my tool in life is words, and it's never been good with numbers and so forth.

2298
02:05:30,980 --> 02:05:38,480
So I have an accountant, I pay him, and I have an agent, I pay him, and I kind of hope that they put it all together for me, and they have so far.

2299
02:05:39,860 --> 02:05:48,000
We all have, Mr. Toppery, we all have private business and accountants, and we sit down and we have to answer all the questions and be sure.

2300
02:05:48,000 --> 02:05:49,240
Oh, I know, that's why I'm here.

2301
02:05:49,660 --> 02:05:50,400
I asked to be here.

2302
02:05:50,600 --> 02:05:54,300
I know, but in returning our accounts annually, we have to do it.

2303
02:05:54,320 --> 02:05:55,320
Oh, yeah, well, as I...

2304
02:05:55,320 --> 02:05:57,820
We don't get a chance to go before any committee to...

2305
02:05:57,820 --> 02:05:58,260
No, no.

2306
02:05:58,500 --> 02:05:59,480
...to address the nation.

2307
02:05:59,660 --> 02:06:00,200
No, I appreciate that.

2308
02:06:00,220 --> 02:06:00,620
But anyway, you're here.

2309
02:06:00,840 --> 02:06:00,960
Yeah.

2310
02:06:01,340 --> 02:06:08,860
Can I ask you, Mr. Toppery, what are the typical tax benefits of working for RT via production company, as you are?

2311
02:06:08,860 --> 02:06:11,560
Or, I don't know, it's all trade or...

2312
02:06:11,560 --> 02:06:14,720
Again, do you know the answer, or is that an accountant's question?

2313
02:06:14,720 --> 02:06:15,240
Again...

2314
02:06:15,240 --> 02:06:15,800
Sorry, David.

2315
02:06:16,240 --> 02:06:16,500
Sorry.

2316
02:06:16,860 --> 02:06:21,340
Again, it's all independent contractors sell hours of service.

2317
02:06:21,660 --> 02:06:27,060
As Ryan said, 205 hours of radio, 38 two-hour-plus shows on the late, late show.

2318
02:06:27,780 --> 02:06:29,300
And that's what they're selling.

2319
02:06:29,440 --> 02:06:29,740
They're trying.

2320
02:06:29,820 --> 02:06:31,280
They're independent contractors.

2321
02:06:32,040 --> 02:06:32,860
They've no...

2322
02:06:32,860 --> 02:06:34,000
They've no union.

2323
02:06:34,000 --> 02:06:34,880
Independent contractors.

2324
02:06:35,700 --> 02:06:36,300
They have you.

2325
02:06:37,040 --> 02:06:37,640
They have me.

2326
02:06:38,000 --> 02:06:38,320
Superman.

2327
02:06:38,320 --> 02:06:38,400
Superman.

2328
02:06:38,560 --> 02:06:39,900
No, they have me.

2329
02:06:40,320 --> 02:06:40,620
All right.

2330
02:06:40,720 --> 02:06:40,920
Okay.

2331
02:06:41,160 --> 02:06:41,560
Sorry, David.

2332
02:06:41,580 --> 02:06:42,520
I'll just say...

2333
02:06:42,520 --> 02:06:43,020
And I...

2334
02:06:43,020 --> 02:06:47,460
Again, it's all independent contractors sell hours of service.

2335
02:06:47,840 --> 02:06:49,280
As Ryan said, 205 hours.

2336
02:06:49,420 --> 02:06:50,500
The typical tax benefits.

2337
02:06:51,120 --> 02:06:52,620
What are the typical tax benefits?

2338
02:06:53,100 --> 02:06:55,380
Sorry to stretch the credibility, but it's a matter of fact.

2339
02:06:55,620 --> 02:06:58,120
And I will also say what knows that they're about duty of care.

2340
02:06:58,500 --> 02:07:02,160
He actually cares about my head and my...

2341
02:07:02,160 --> 02:07:05,420
How I'm feeling about the world, despite everything, in a way that...

2342
02:07:05,420 --> 02:07:06,040
I appreciate that.

2343
02:07:06,100 --> 02:07:06,620
Totally all.

2344
02:07:06,720 --> 02:07:07,940
I know it's not that.

2345
02:07:07,940 --> 02:07:07,940
I...

2346
02:07:07,940 --> 02:07:08,360
Okay.

2347
02:07:08,580 --> 02:07:09,540
There's not a lynch mob here.

2348
02:07:09,780 --> 02:07:10,340
That's true.

2349
02:07:10,420 --> 02:07:10,880
We all do.

2350
02:07:11,000 --> 02:07:11,760
I know that.

2351
02:07:11,900 --> 02:07:15,160
I wouldn't invite myself before a lynch mob.

2352
02:07:15,220 --> 02:07:15,920
I know it's not that at all.

2353
02:07:15,920 --> 02:07:17,660
I fully respect what's happening here.

2354
02:07:17,720 --> 02:07:23,920
But I just feel sometimes that there's an issue with people's health.

2355
02:07:23,980 --> 02:07:27,560
When a company's accounts are signed off, people have to take responsibility for the accounts,

2356
02:07:27,800 --> 02:07:29,940
notwithstanding what their accountant tells them.

2357
02:07:30,020 --> 02:07:35,140
You have to know everybody's in this is right, as proper, and before yourself and your maker.

2358
02:07:35,680 --> 02:07:36,680
Mr. Trouble, could I ask you?

2359
02:07:37,240 --> 02:07:39,020
I do value my children.

2360
02:07:39,020 --> 02:07:40,460
I'm granted and love the Thai show.

2361
02:07:40,460 --> 02:07:45,020
I did have one issue during the COVID with the whole Pfizer job.

2362
02:07:45,100 --> 02:07:46,720
The child being used in that way.

2363
02:07:46,920 --> 02:07:51,260
I thought it was horrific to sell Pfizer or promote them.

2364
02:07:51,800 --> 02:07:54,920
Do you have any benefit in financial or otherwise from Pfizer?

2365
02:07:56,240 --> 02:07:57,740
Deputy, not in the slightest.

2366
02:07:57,900 --> 02:08:05,140
Actually, that was all done in a way that was not meant to be political or scientific.

2367
02:08:05,440 --> 02:08:07,220
It was just on its day.

2368
02:08:07,400 --> 02:08:09,420
It's meant to be satirical, frankly.

2369
02:08:09,920 --> 02:08:12,120
So, no, never got a benefit from Pfizer, no.

2370
02:08:12,700 --> 02:08:12,920
Never?

2371
02:08:13,320 --> 02:08:13,700
Never.

2372
02:08:14,200 --> 02:08:14,640
Never.

2373
02:08:15,040 --> 02:08:16,280
RT just got on to benefits.

2374
02:08:17,300 --> 02:08:17,460
Okay.

2375
02:08:17,780 --> 02:08:19,300
You can toss them that on Thursday.

2376
02:08:19,640 --> 02:08:20,000
I accept.

2377
02:08:20,180 --> 02:08:20,940
We have a reaction.

2378
02:08:21,100 --> 02:08:22,900
We had to get answers out of them in fairness.

2379
02:08:22,920 --> 02:08:23,680
But that's a different story.

2380
02:08:23,700 --> 02:08:24,140
We have more forthcoming.

2381
02:08:24,380 --> 02:08:25,160
Well, I appreciate that.

2382
02:08:25,180 --> 02:08:27,180
I mean, look, in all that's gone on since now.

2383
02:08:27,300 --> 02:08:27,660
Pfizer.

2384
02:08:27,880 --> 02:08:30,020
As I said, the fiduciary duties at the board, many more gone now.

2385
02:08:30,260 --> 02:08:30,500
Yes.

2386
02:08:30,620 --> 02:08:32,040
Like, all wasn't well.

2387
02:08:32,040 --> 02:08:32,320
Pfizer.

2388
02:08:32,560 --> 02:08:33,940
I mean, how does that?

2389
02:08:34,280 --> 02:08:36,180
You're participating in a fraud, man.

2390
02:08:36,220 --> 02:08:38,740
You're getting a lot of criticism and all that.

2391
02:08:39,140 --> 02:08:42,880
And I'm delighted that you're getting so many calves of goodwill, and we wish you goodwill.

2392
02:08:43,060 --> 02:08:43,840
I appreciate that.

2393
02:08:43,840 --> 02:08:44,160
You have had your father.

2394
02:08:44,160 --> 02:08:49,280
It's been a very difficult three weeks, and it's been, I know, life is hard for a lot of people in Ireland.

2395
02:08:49,400 --> 02:08:51,660
I'm not trying to be any more special than anyone else.

2396
02:08:51,720 --> 02:08:55,240
But when you're publicly cancelled the way I've been, it has not been easy.

2397
02:08:56,040 --> 02:08:58,060
I can appreciate that, and your family as well.

2398
02:08:58,140 --> 02:08:58,560
I appreciate it.

2399
02:08:58,560 --> 02:09:00,540
And we send their good wishes to them, as I said.

2400
02:09:00,860 --> 02:09:07,480
But it's people out there during that time, especially with suffering such huge cuts to their income.

2401
02:09:07,860 --> 02:09:09,480
This is a small business, especially wiped out.

2402
02:09:09,960 --> 02:09:10,360
Wiped out.

2403
02:09:10,480 --> 02:09:11,360
I totally understand that.

2404
02:09:11,360 --> 02:09:11,800
It's some bad work.

2405
02:09:12,360 --> 02:09:14,680
The fact that they weren't getting the proper...

2406
02:09:14,680 --> 02:09:18,680
Are you sorry now that you didn't break the place and have published...

2407
02:09:18,680 --> 02:09:21,580
This is fucking soft, old shite, man.

2408
02:09:21,980 --> 02:09:24,900
You need to bring it back to the fucking werewolves.

2409
02:09:26,020 --> 02:09:27,320
There's only half an hour left.

2410
02:09:27,460 --> 02:09:28,580
Like, where's the werewolves?

2411
02:09:28,640 --> 02:09:29,320
I said that, yeah.

2412
02:09:29,700 --> 02:09:30,420
I'm sorry about that.

2413
02:09:30,880 --> 02:09:31,580
Should have said something.

2414
02:09:32,200 --> 02:09:32,600
Yeah.

2415
02:09:33,040 --> 02:09:33,600
What did he say?

2416
02:09:33,840 --> 02:09:34,120
Deputy.

2417
02:09:34,960 --> 02:09:37,040
Ian, I appreciate that you put your hands up.

2418
02:09:37,220 --> 02:09:37,640
I missed you.

2419
02:09:37,740 --> 02:09:42,160
As I said, so you still have full confidence on Mr Kelly.

2420
02:09:42,260 --> 02:09:42,620
Yes, I do.

2421
02:09:42,640 --> 02:09:43,120
He's my friend.

2422
02:09:43,860 --> 02:09:44,880
And I appreciate that.

2423
02:09:45,000 --> 02:09:47,040
I don't expect your pictures to be upset.

2424
02:09:47,540 --> 02:09:53,160
But on a human level, I think I find it very hard to accept, like, for the false invoices.

2425
02:09:53,340 --> 02:09:56,600
They were not invoices for the properties that they were there.

2426
02:09:57,040 --> 02:10:00,760
They were created by different companies and change a separate company again.

2427
02:10:01,300 --> 02:10:03,080
And that is not standard practice for anybody.

2428
02:10:03,280 --> 02:10:04,500
You couldn't buy a truck like that.

2429
02:10:04,720 --> 02:10:07,180
As somebody else said, you have to get an invoice for a truck.

2430
02:10:07,500 --> 02:10:11,040
Not for a dunking cart or something like that.

2431
02:10:11,040 --> 02:10:12,980
It has to be a truck.

2432
02:10:13,360 --> 02:10:14,520
All under instruction.

2433
02:10:15,360 --> 02:10:16,320
Thank you, Deputy McGrath.

2434
02:10:16,340 --> 02:10:20,320
You can't use that instruction to be just, ask no questions.

2435
02:10:20,540 --> 02:10:20,980
What is this?

2436
02:10:21,300 --> 02:10:23,060
Hear no evil, see no evil, speak no evil.

2437
02:10:23,320 --> 02:10:27,220
You have to have some idea.

2438
02:10:27,400 --> 02:10:28,500
You have to trust, Deputy.

2439
02:10:28,700 --> 02:10:29,380
You have to trust.

2440
02:10:29,600 --> 02:10:30,320
Yeah, but sure.

2441
02:10:30,620 --> 02:10:32,460
We know now where the trust is gone.

2442
02:10:32,660 --> 02:10:34,000
I know, and it's easy to know.

2443
02:10:34,000 --> 02:10:35,800
And the licensing players and their trust.

2444
02:10:35,820 --> 02:10:36,620
It's easy to know now.

2445
02:10:37,000 --> 02:10:37,860
Yeah, but you can't.

2446
02:10:37,860 --> 02:10:40,100
You don't in business take everybody at their own.

2447
02:10:40,100 --> 02:10:42,480
Because you have to be sure you can send it up.

2448
02:10:42,860 --> 02:10:45,020
Thank you, Deputy McGrath.

2449
02:10:45,020 --> 02:10:45,020
Thank you, Deputy McGrath.

2450
02:10:45,020 --> 02:10:47,940
And I appreciate your clarity with your questions.

2451
02:10:47,940 --> 02:10:48,440
Fuck, man.

2452
02:10:48,500 --> 02:10:50,120
Come on, get some werewolves in there.

2453
02:10:50,340 --> 02:10:50,920
Is that okay?

2454
02:10:51,160 --> 02:10:51,700
You conclude?

2455
02:10:51,940 --> 02:10:52,840
Thank you very much.

2456
02:10:53,120 --> 02:10:54,020
Get some werewolves.

2457
02:10:54,140 --> 02:10:57,300
We want a pack of fucking blood-hungry bloodhounds.

2458
02:10:57,300 --> 02:10:59,200
Welcome to both of the witnesses.

2459
02:10:59,720 --> 02:11:08,880
Starting with the raising of the two invoices in 2022 by you, Mr. Kelly, to the barter company and the report of Grant Thornton.

2460
02:11:09,300 --> 02:11:15,120
The document states that you said that you had spoken to the commercial director about year two of the five-year contract.

2461
02:11:15,420 --> 02:11:16,880
But she said that it was not her problem.

2462
02:11:17,060 --> 02:11:19,580
And you said that it was not yours either.

2463
02:11:19,700 --> 02:11:21,480
And that they should now have to come up with solutions.

2464
02:11:21,860 --> 02:11:24,460
Why were you chasing money?

2465
02:11:24,460 --> 02:11:28,060
Thanks very much there, Say Tony and Schnuppels.

2466
02:11:28,280 --> 02:11:29,060
Thank you very much.

2467
02:11:29,140 --> 02:11:30,200
Not yet completed the work.

2468
02:11:30,940 --> 02:11:32,340
Because the...

2469
02:11:32,340 --> 02:11:33,220
I'm sorry.

2470
02:11:33,340 --> 02:11:33,700
It's gone.

2471
02:11:33,780 --> 02:11:37,260
It's gone kind of fucking lead balloonish here now.

2472
02:11:37,260 --> 02:11:46,480
The appearances, the shows, the late, late shows in dealerships were supposed to have happened in 2021, 22, 23, 24.

2473
02:11:47,260 --> 02:11:50,040
As I said, with COVID, the first that only happened in 2022.

2474
02:11:50,040 --> 02:11:54,160
And I know that that is referred to in page five.

2475
02:11:54,160 --> 02:12:02,440
But the reality is that there was €150,000 in transactions credited eventually to Tuttle for work that was not done.

2476
02:12:02,800 --> 02:12:05,640
I know, but there are six events owed.

2477
02:12:05,740 --> 02:12:08,300
As I already said, you know, we're still in common.

2478
02:12:08,300 --> 02:12:08,540
Okay.

2479
02:12:08,760 --> 02:12:09,300
Well, I just...

2480
02:12:09,300 --> 02:12:10,320
That's okay.

2481
02:12:10,380 --> 02:12:15,080
But I grew up in a world where, you know, you only paid money for things that you actually received.

2482
02:12:15,340 --> 02:12:22,600
So from your perspective, Ryan, did you not feel that if, you know, this didn't sit well, that you paid €150,000 in your account for work that was not yet done?

2483
02:12:22,600 --> 02:12:31,800
What sat with me and the reason I can make this clear for you today and the reason I wanted to be here for you today is that I can say that there were six appearances outstanding somewhere.

2484
02:12:32,180 --> 02:12:36,740
And I'm still ready, willing, prepared to make those appearances and come good on the...

2485
02:12:36,740 --> 02:12:37,020
Okay.

2486
02:12:37,740 --> 02:12:37,920
Okay.

2487
02:12:38,060 --> 02:12:51,040
Listening to the evidence this morning, Ryan, you and Mr. Kelly have sought to separate two items of your contract with RT for the Late Show and your morning show as a contract for those earnings.

2488
02:12:51,240 --> 02:12:57,080
And then the tripartite deal, which both yourself and Mr. Kelly have said contract for your services.

2489
02:12:58,500 --> 02:13:00,820
And that that's not linked to this basic pay.

2490
02:13:01,020 --> 02:13:02,200
Is that a fair assessment?

2491
02:13:02,520 --> 02:13:02,640
Okay.

2492
02:13:03,080 --> 02:13:10,880
And Ryan, you have said that the difference is then perception, the perception of that income for the other job.

2493
02:13:11,120 --> 02:13:12,400
But this goes to the heart of the matter.

2494
02:13:12,500 --> 02:13:13,040
Well, reality.

2495
02:13:13,100 --> 02:13:14,460
Well, this goes to the heart of the matter.

2496
02:13:14,460 --> 02:13:25,300
Because earlier, Mr. Kelly stated that the motivation was one where RT were attempting to keep the primary sponsor, Renault, to keep them on board, keep them locked in.

2497
02:13:25,860 --> 02:13:28,360
But RTE's take is much different on this.

2498
02:13:28,460 --> 02:13:36,460
Because Mr. Adrian Lynch stated in his evidence to this committee on June 28, and I quote, that in autumn 2019, negotiations were ongoing.

2499
02:13:36,900 --> 02:13:41,380
The negotiations were obviously not going that well or whatever.

2500
02:13:41,820 --> 02:13:50,000
And then this idea, the commercial deal, was obviously generated that there would be some brand extensions and there would be events, end quote.

2501
02:13:50,520 --> 02:13:54,820
So from RTE's perspective, the negotiations, Ryan, and your pay were not going well.

2502
02:13:55,420 --> 02:13:56,240
That's Mr. Adrian Lynch.

2503
02:13:56,240 --> 02:13:57,300
He said they weren't going well.

2504
02:13:57,980 --> 02:14:00,300
And that there was a problem.

2505
02:14:01,480 --> 02:14:09,300
And I would ask you, were you refusing to sign that deal until the commercial aspect was introduced into the negotiation?

2506
02:14:09,660 --> 02:14:09,800
No.

2507
02:14:10,260 --> 02:14:13,380
I immediately put that to the person doing all the negotiating.

2508
02:14:13,520 --> 02:14:13,720
No.

2509
02:14:14,580 --> 02:14:26,120
In the end of the 19 deal, again, if this was about trying to strong arm somebody, Ryan had taken a pay cut of 525,000 for the next contract.

2510
02:14:26,120 --> 02:14:27,420
So it wasn't about that.

2511
02:14:27,500 --> 02:14:29,040
This initiative came from RTE.

2512
02:14:29,040 --> 02:14:30,320
That goes back to what you said earlier.

2513
02:14:30,820 --> 02:14:35,520
You keep referring to this, Mr. Kelly, as Ryan had waived 120,000.

2514
02:14:35,620 --> 02:14:36,720
He had taken half a million.

2515
02:14:37,100 --> 02:14:39,840
My perception is that you said, Ryan, enough is enough.

2516
02:14:39,920 --> 02:14:41,020
He's taken enough pay cuts.

2517
02:14:41,500 --> 02:14:47,660
And that, as Mr. Lynch has said, there were issues here where we can't get the deal over the line.

2518
02:14:48,320 --> 02:14:51,080
And this deal was stalled until this was introduced.

2519
02:14:51,280 --> 02:14:52,720
That is clear from the negotiations.

2520
02:14:53,320 --> 02:14:54,120
It's not true.

2521
02:14:54,120 --> 02:14:55,960
But it's clear from the negotiations.

2522
02:14:56,300 --> 02:14:56,940
It's a reality.

2523
02:14:57,140 --> 02:14:59,800
Mr. Lynch said the negotiations were stalled in autumn 2019.

2524
02:15:00,340 --> 02:15:07,160
And that six days before Christmas, we have a situation where things are now moving again because of the creation of the deal.

2525
02:15:07,800 --> 02:15:09,520
No, this is an RTE initiative.

2526
02:15:09,520 --> 02:15:11,460
Yeah, I'm not buying that for you.

2527
02:15:11,540 --> 02:15:14,380
Everything today has been about RTE and an RTE initiative.

2528
02:15:14,760 --> 02:15:16,140
The reality is.

2529
02:15:16,520 --> 02:15:25,540
And so let's move to the emails from Brito O'Keefe to yourself because she talks about meeting you halfway and the fees and so forth.

2530
02:15:25,800 --> 02:15:28,020
And that's point number one in the contract discussions.

2531
02:15:28,160 --> 02:15:40,080
But point number two is quite clearly the 75,000 euro from a commercial relationship where she says we have progressed discussions with a third party and look forward to discussing this with you in more detail next Tuesday.

2532
02:15:40,560 --> 02:15:43,920
The commercial deal is central to everything.

2533
02:15:44,520 --> 02:15:47,420
It wasn't going anywhere until this was on the page.

2534
02:15:48,420 --> 02:15:48,680
Sure.

2535
02:15:48,900 --> 02:15:50,660
Let me just go to the page.

2536
02:15:50,900 --> 02:15:51,540
Page seven.

2537
02:15:51,760 --> 02:15:52,900
Contract discussions.

2538
02:15:53,120 --> 02:15:53,660
Item two.

2539
02:15:55,420 --> 02:15:55,680
That.

2540
02:15:58,060 --> 02:15:58,740
Sorry.

2541
02:15:59,780 --> 02:15:59,980
That.

2542
02:16:00,540 --> 02:16:01,300
Contract discussions.

2543
02:16:01,780 --> 02:16:06,820
The email on page five came from Miss O'Keefe.

2544
02:16:07,080 --> 02:16:07,300
Yes.

2545
02:16:07,820 --> 02:16:09,620
So they're setting out.

2546
02:16:09,980 --> 02:16:10,620
They're setting out.

2547
02:16:10,720 --> 02:16:14,840
But the point being that Mr. Lynch has said that negotiations were stalled.

2548
02:16:15,160 --> 02:16:20,660
Miss O'Keefe is setting out the key components for agreeing this deal.

2549
02:16:20,740 --> 02:16:24,380
She uses the phrase we are keen to retain Ryan's services.

2550
02:16:24,780 --> 02:16:29,020
This was a key point of negotiations was this offer of the 75,000.

2551
02:16:29,200 --> 02:16:31,180
You keep referring to the basic pay.

2552
02:16:31,680 --> 02:16:32,840
The basic pay is one thing.

2553
02:16:33,080 --> 02:16:35,120
The deal wasn't happening without the 75,000.

2554
02:16:35,120 --> 02:16:38,420
And Ryan, you have said that, but I think in terms of perception.

2555
02:16:38,980 --> 02:16:40,620
But we're dancing on the head of a pin here.

2556
02:16:40,940 --> 02:16:41,260
We're dancing on the head of a pin.

2557
02:16:41,260 --> 02:16:43,540
It was still cumulatively paid to you.

2558
02:16:43,820 --> 02:16:46,580
No matter what way it was then allocated into your accounts.

2559
02:16:46,880 --> 02:16:50,020
It was part of the negotiation deal for you to sign the contract.

2560
02:16:50,260 --> 02:16:50,980
Do you accept that?

2561
02:16:51,180 --> 02:16:52,400
That's not what I'm...

2562
02:16:52,400 --> 02:16:53,820
Hang on a second.

2563
02:16:53,960 --> 02:16:54,700
In terms of...

2564
02:16:54,700 --> 02:16:55,880
It's on the document.

2565
02:16:56,220 --> 02:16:59,680
It says in terms of them trying to negotiate and progress the negotiations.

2566
02:16:59,680 --> 02:17:02,800
Point two, we are progressing the discussions with a third party.

2567
02:17:03,060 --> 02:17:05,020
We're offering the 75,000 euro to you.

2568
02:17:07,540 --> 02:17:12,160
So are you accepting that that was a key component of making sure that you signed the contract?

2569
02:17:12,600 --> 02:17:13,560
You signed the contract.

2570
02:17:13,960 --> 02:17:14,120
Yes.

2571
02:17:14,120 --> 02:17:18,420
Was it a key component of making sure that this deal got over the line was the 75,000 euro?

2572
02:17:18,480 --> 02:17:20,140
That's not my understanding at all.

2573
02:17:20,360 --> 02:17:20,420
No.

2574
02:17:20,420 --> 02:17:21,100
That's not his understanding.

2575
02:17:21,100 --> 02:17:21,580
So, okay, so...

2576
02:17:21,580 --> 02:17:24,040
The contract is...

2577
02:17:24,040 --> 02:17:28,000
The deal with RTE was for radio and TV services.

2578
02:17:28,220 --> 02:17:28,400
Yeah.

2579
02:17:28,640 --> 02:17:32,020
For 38 late-night shows of two hours, 205 radio shows.

2580
02:17:32,260 --> 02:17:33,540
That's what the contract with RTE was.

2581
02:17:34,120 --> 02:17:37,800
And RTE then, I'm assuming to keep the sponsor, wanted Ryan to...

2582
02:17:37,800 --> 02:17:39,080
No, but that's not what RTE are saying.

2583
02:17:39,340 --> 02:17:41,740
RTE are saying that the negotiations were stalled.

2584
02:17:42,040 --> 02:17:46,000
And that when this emanation, when they brought this on, that this helped the negotiation process.

2585
02:17:46,280 --> 02:17:47,100
And you're arguing...

2586
02:17:47,100 --> 02:17:49,260
It's a totally separate agreement.

2587
02:17:49,500 --> 02:17:53,220
Well, again, you say it's a totally separate agreement, but it's always part of the discussion.

2588
02:17:53,220 --> 02:17:55,300
Sorry, if I could bring it to page 14, please.

2589
02:17:55,500 --> 02:17:58,040
There's a lot of Stalin going on.

2590
02:17:58,140 --> 02:17:59,340
The lads are on the ropes.

2591
02:17:59,460 --> 02:18:03,020
It seems this guy here, he's given them a bit of a fucking millen.

2592
02:18:03,060 --> 02:18:04,340
And rightly so.

2593
02:18:04,480 --> 02:18:06,740
There's 28 minutes left on the clock.

2594
02:18:06,760 --> 02:18:08,640
...reed separately to these documents.

2595
02:18:08,680 --> 02:18:09,720
It's a separate agreement.

2596
02:18:09,780 --> 02:18:10,440
Well, I don't...

2597
02:18:10,440 --> 02:18:14,780
I know you're categorising it as a separate agreement, but ultimately it's a cumulative pay.

2598
02:18:15,600 --> 02:18:17,700
Shane Castles, thank you very much.

2599
02:18:18,020 --> 02:18:20,440
And Ryan Cadbury and Iwana, thank you very much.

2600
02:18:20,440 --> 02:18:22,440
...on the table, Ryan, at Christmas 2019.

2601
02:18:22,940 --> 02:18:29,520
Were there offers from News Talk or Virgin or BBC that your agent was also saying that this was possibly that you could look at as well?

2602
02:18:29,600 --> 02:18:30,900
I never negotiate, Senator.

2603
02:18:31,140 --> 02:18:32,240
You can ask null question.

2604
02:18:32,340 --> 02:18:32,900
He negotiates.

2605
02:18:33,000 --> 02:18:34,420
No, you have to ask the man who negotiates.

2606
02:18:34,420 --> 02:18:34,960
No, that's fine.

2607
02:18:35,100 --> 02:18:35,480
That's fine.

2608
02:18:35,540 --> 02:18:43,140
But I'll tell you, my experience in past as being a sports journalist is that, from agents, is that football agents would have agents that negotiate with clubs.

2609
02:18:43,600 --> 02:18:48,200
Don't tell me that they don't know what's being put under their contract or what club they would go to.

2610
02:18:48,440 --> 02:18:52,100
And similarly, the same applies to you in terms of whether stations are buying for you.

2611
02:18:52,260 --> 02:18:53,780
The man wasn't not talking to you.

2612
02:18:53,980 --> 02:18:54,200
Yes.

2613
02:18:54,200 --> 02:18:59,560
Were there a scenario where in Christmas 2019, News Talk or Virgin or BBC were looking for you?

2614
02:18:59,780 --> 02:19:00,080
I don't know.

2615
02:19:00,420 --> 02:19:01,200
No, no, no, no, no.

2616
02:19:01,240 --> 02:19:02,600
He would have told you.

2617
02:19:02,680 --> 02:19:02,880
Sorry.

2618
02:19:03,020 --> 02:19:03,180
Did he?

2619
02:19:03,440 --> 02:19:04,100
I'm the one who...

2620
02:19:04,100 --> 02:19:04,440
Watch out.

2621
02:19:04,480 --> 02:19:05,140
There's a fucking fire.

2622
02:19:05,140 --> 02:19:05,800
They're coming down.

2623
02:19:05,920 --> 02:19:06,100
No.

2624
02:19:06,100 --> 02:19:07,600
He's the man who eventually can put on the show.

2625
02:19:07,760 --> 02:19:08,400
So it's a fair question.

2626
02:19:08,620 --> 02:19:09,220
No, excuse me.

2627
02:19:09,300 --> 02:19:10,480
It's fair to put to him.

2628
02:19:11,740 --> 02:19:13,900
Had your agent informed you, Mr. Tuberty?

2629
02:19:13,900 --> 02:19:19,260
Had your agent informed you of any potential officers from other parties in the media sphere?

2630
02:19:20,080 --> 02:19:21,340
Not that I'm aware of at this point.

2631
02:19:21,400 --> 02:19:22,040
Not that you're aware of.

2632
02:19:22,060 --> 02:19:22,840
Mr. Caddy, were there?

2633
02:19:23,220 --> 02:19:23,360
No.

2634
02:19:23,500 --> 02:19:25,600
Did someone drop a bomb in this shit?

2635
02:19:25,840 --> 02:19:26,880
Sorry, I'm not a sports agent.

2636
02:19:26,880 --> 02:19:28,300
Because that stuff was a blast.

2637
02:19:28,620 --> 02:19:29,520
I'm not a sports agent.

2638
02:19:29,660 --> 02:19:32,820
And I can understand why a football team would be going with Man United.

2639
02:19:33,020 --> 02:19:34,480
They're asking, but he completely understands that.

2640
02:19:35,360 --> 02:19:36,840
Okay, we'll move on.

2641
02:19:38,180 --> 02:19:39,360
No, there was not...

2642
02:19:39,360 --> 02:19:40,280
The details of the contract.

2643
02:19:40,300 --> 02:19:40,440
No, no.

2644
02:19:40,680 --> 02:19:42,160
And Ryan loves RT.

2645
02:19:42,340 --> 02:19:43,400
Ryan wants to stay in RT.

2646
02:19:43,540 --> 02:19:44,120
This was...

2647
02:19:44,120 --> 02:19:45,020
If Ryan wanted to leave RT, that would be a complete separate thing.

2648
02:19:45,020 --> 02:19:46,400
Okay, I'm just finding it hard.

2649
02:19:46,500 --> 02:19:49,680
Because Ryan said this morning at PAC that, you know, he does his job.

2650
02:19:49,920 --> 02:19:51,120
No, Kelly does his job.

2651
02:19:51,460 --> 02:19:54,960
I'm just still figuring that, you know, you still read the agreement when you sign it.

2652
02:19:55,640 --> 02:19:55,900
Sure.

2653
02:19:55,900 --> 02:20:00,780
Because, you know, looking at this, Ryan, over the time since you've worked for the Late Show,

2654
02:20:00,860 --> 02:20:06,720
I think I've worked it out roughly that you've earned 8 million euro from your time as working on the Late Show.

2655
02:20:06,720 --> 02:20:16,140
And what wonders to me is why in God's name then we were chasing these speaking gigs for 75,000 euro as part of the deal to get it over the line.

2656
02:20:16,640 --> 02:20:17,120
We weren't.

2657
02:20:17,300 --> 02:20:19,760
And this was an initiative from RTE.

2658
02:20:19,920 --> 02:20:20,940
Yeah, but why?

2659
02:20:21,400 --> 02:20:23,520
Why was there a need for RTE to throw it on the table?

2660
02:20:23,820 --> 02:20:24,300
No, but why?

2661
02:20:24,300 --> 02:20:25,040
You're talking about RTE that I'm assuming is to keep the responsible.

2662
02:20:25,040 --> 02:20:28,480
I mean, were you sitting there going, Ryan, look, they're coming with 75 grand.

2663
02:20:28,640 --> 02:20:31,520
They're coming with 75 grand extra.

2664
02:20:32,620 --> 02:20:36,440
You keep saying that it's RTE that were coming with this and you weren't going looking for it.

2665
02:20:36,600 --> 02:20:42,620
But I'm finding that struggling hard to believe that when Adrian Lynch said negotiations were stalled, here they came with a bounty.

2666
02:20:42,620 --> 02:20:43,100
Can I answer the question?

2667
02:20:43,100 --> 02:20:44,980
Can I answer the question?

2668
02:20:46,340 --> 02:20:47,160
Very simple.

2669
02:20:47,840 --> 02:20:49,560
RTE came to us with this initiative.

2670
02:20:50,020 --> 02:20:53,840
I can only assume that they wanted to keep one of their biggest sponsors on board.

2671
02:20:54,180 --> 02:20:55,780
And I'm sorry, can I please finish the question?

2672
02:20:56,840 --> 02:20:58,040
Keep Ryan Troubledy on board.

2673
02:20:58,160 --> 02:21:02,300
Keeping Ryan Troubledy on board for another five years would equate to keeping a sponsor on.

2674
02:21:02,500 --> 02:21:04,340
Now Ryan Troubledy has finished the Late Show.

2675
02:21:04,860 --> 02:21:06,480
Maybe it'll be the same sort of maybe another sponsor.

2676
02:21:06,700 --> 02:21:07,280
But that's all.

2677
02:21:07,380 --> 02:21:08,360
I'm not a sports agent.

2678
02:21:08,540 --> 02:21:09,120
We don't have 10 people in the room.

2679
02:21:09,120 --> 02:21:09,280
That's fine.

2680
02:21:09,400 --> 02:21:11,380
And that has your narrative and you've held the line.

2681
02:21:11,380 --> 02:21:11,840
I'm sorry, Senator.

2682
02:21:12,100 --> 02:21:18,920
I would only look at if somebody wanted to move, if they were unhappy in the scenario that they were actually in.

2683
02:21:19,060 --> 02:21:19,500
And that's all.

2684
02:21:19,720 --> 02:21:20,620
Okay, well that's fine.

2685
02:21:20,700 --> 02:21:21,640
And you've held that narrative.

2686
02:21:21,760 --> 02:21:23,040
You've held that line all day.

2687
02:21:23,140 --> 02:21:29,640
What I'm saying is that Adrian Lynch said the negotiations were stalled and that when this was put on the table, that this progressed things on.

2688
02:21:30,100 --> 02:21:30,860
And you know, Minister...

2689
02:21:30,860 --> 02:21:32,640
And I'm going to put this to your eye, respectively.

2690
02:21:32,800 --> 02:21:36,800
Because in here, ministers blaming officials and turning to their officials doesn't wash it.

2691
02:21:36,800 --> 02:21:37,960
Because the book stops with them.

2692
02:21:38,440 --> 02:21:39,940
And they resign if there's a cock-up.

2693
02:21:40,540 --> 02:21:45,000
Fintan O'Stool.

2694
02:21:45,000 --> 02:21:46,040
Fintan O'Stool.

2695
02:21:46,360 --> 02:21:49,740
And that it was the conscience of the client as to whether the dog was called off.

2696
02:21:49,740 --> 02:21:59,160
So why did you look for that last pound of flesh when you were being paid a basic of €440,000 for these add-ons to make sure that the contract was signed?

2697
02:21:59,520 --> 02:22:00,080
I'm not a minister.

2698
02:22:00,440 --> 02:22:02,620
We're not responsible for Fintan O'Stool's commentary.

2699
02:22:02,880 --> 02:22:09,760
And I'm asking in terms of why was it necessary for the add-ons, regardless of the basic pay, was €440,000 not enough?

2700
02:22:10,240 --> 02:22:11,280
You've already explained that.

2701
02:22:11,480 --> 02:22:16,760
No, you know, I'm asking Mr. Troubly directly, and I'm entitled to ask the man himself who was being paid.

2702
02:22:17,760 --> 02:22:19,820
There's been a lot of latitude, Chairman, with the height of respect.

2703
02:22:20,160 --> 02:22:21,280
I'm asking you respectfully.

2704
02:22:21,700 --> 02:22:23,420
Was €440,000 not enough?

2705
02:22:23,500 --> 02:22:27,880
Did you not say to Mr. Kelly, I don't need the extra €75,000?

2706
02:22:28,700 --> 02:22:35,600
To use your own analogy, to use your own analogy, is €469,000.

2707
02:22:36,080 --> 02:22:38,020
€3,000 is to be thrown at it.

2708
02:22:38,020 --> 02:22:38,600
One voice, one voice.

2709
02:22:38,600 --> 02:22:46,800
To use your own analogy, would a footballer expect a decent fee for playing for his club?

2710
02:22:48,520 --> 02:22:52,420
And would the footballer have his agent negotiate a decent fee to play for his club?

2711
02:22:53,420 --> 02:22:57,940
And somebody who was a sports journalist, as you've claimed, and I presume it's true,

2712
02:22:57,940 --> 02:23:01,280
that has to be taken into consideration.

2713
02:23:01,500 --> 02:23:10,760
So with that in mind, this man negotiates my salary situation, my contract situation.

2714
02:23:11,020 --> 02:23:17,320
He is, as he said before, he minds my business, and he minds me too.

2715
02:23:17,460 --> 02:23:18,160
He's a good person.

2716
02:23:18,340 --> 02:23:19,880
He has struck a good deal.

2717
02:23:19,880 --> 02:23:21,560
But what I'm struggling with today...

2718
02:23:21,560 --> 02:23:21,940
So that's what I'm trying to say.

2719
02:23:22,120 --> 02:23:24,520
So, you know, you talk about our narrative, their narrative.

2720
02:23:24,760 --> 02:23:26,320
This is not our story.

2721
02:23:26,460 --> 02:23:26,920
This is our truth.

2722
02:23:26,940 --> 02:23:29,960
30 seconds, Senator Castles, to wrap up in 30 seconds.

2723
02:23:30,080 --> 02:23:35,520
No, quite frankly, I mean, it is a narrative, because it is putting forward one scenario,

2724
02:23:35,640 --> 02:23:38,880
and I'm putting attention to you, that there was a stalling in the contract.

2725
02:23:39,240 --> 02:23:42,820
This was the sweetener to make sure that this contract was signed, and it got it over the

2726
02:23:42,820 --> 02:23:43,080
deal.

2727
02:23:43,440 --> 02:23:47,660
I mean, you have said in your second statement, going back to the 23rd of June, when you apologised

2728
02:23:47,660 --> 02:23:48,100
and said...

2729
02:23:48,100 --> 02:23:51,980
It was a tasty little sweetener.

2730
02:23:51,980 --> 02:23:57,860
Did you believe that the money in terms of Renault was still coming from Renault and not to RTE?

2731
02:23:58,100 --> 02:23:59,700
What were you apologising for?

2732
02:24:00,560 --> 02:24:02,720
I was apologising for a different situation.

2733
02:24:02,720 --> 02:24:03,320
For figures that were printed in correctly.

2734
02:24:03,540 --> 02:24:05,640
Yeah, from the 2017, 18, 19.

2735
02:24:06,200 --> 02:24:06,460
Okay.

2736
02:24:06,700 --> 02:24:07,860
And we will have to conclude there.

2737
02:24:07,860 --> 02:24:08,040
Thank you for your time, Senator.

2738
02:24:08,040 --> 02:24:08,180
Thank you.

2739
02:24:08,180 --> 02:24:09,320
We will have to, Senator Ocasis.

2740
02:24:09,360 --> 02:24:09,920
Thank you very much.

2741
02:24:10,000 --> 02:24:10,460
Moving on.

2742
02:24:10,820 --> 02:24:12,280
Deputy Ciarán Cannon, the floor is yours.

2743
02:24:12,340 --> 02:24:12,980
And you have 10 minutes.

2744
02:24:13,680 --> 02:24:23,840
Mr Kelly, why did you agree to process a false invoice from RTE, which falsely describes the

2745
02:24:23,840 --> 02:24:30,000
services rendered, which to a company that you'd never heard of, and not to the company that

2746
02:24:30,000 --> 02:24:33,000
you were seeking to provide the services to, namely Renault.

2747
02:24:33,560 --> 02:24:40,240
Why did you process that invoice, you being, one would assume, a responsible director of a

2748
02:24:40,240 --> 02:24:46,900
longstanding company, and in doing so, in processing that false invoice, did you ever consider for a

2749
02:24:46,900 --> 02:24:54,640
moment the huge reputation of damage that might arise in such processing to a broadcaster that is

2750
02:24:54,640 --> 02:24:59,760
held in admiration and, I would argue, a degree of fondness by the Irish people?

2751
02:24:59,840 --> 02:25:05,600
Did you consider for a moment that if details of that false invoicing might emerge in the future,

2752
02:25:05,960 --> 02:25:08,560
what the reputation of damage might be to Ryan Tupperty?

2753
02:25:09,820 --> 02:25:14,560
Firstly, it wasn't a false invoicing.

2754
02:25:14,880 --> 02:25:15,840
It wasn't a false invoice.

2755
02:25:15,920 --> 02:25:16,560
What was, what was?

2756
02:25:16,840 --> 02:25:19,060
It was as parents instructed by RTE.

2757
02:25:19,220 --> 02:25:21,140
Okay, just stop, can we stop there?

2758
02:25:21,240 --> 02:25:23,780
You've been touting that line all day long.

2759
02:25:24,220 --> 02:25:28,500
I lost my dad a long, long time ago, but there's one line I will never forget.

2760
02:25:28,940 --> 02:25:33,080
When I would come home from school with an excuse, you know, if I'd been misbehaving and

2761
02:25:33,080 --> 02:25:37,640
Johnny next to me told me to do, you know, his question always was, if Johnny told you to

2762
02:25:37,640 --> 02:25:42,860
put your hand in the fire when you put it in, you cannot suggest for a moment a credible answer

2763
02:25:42,860 --> 02:25:45,260
to that question as RTE told me to do it.

2764
02:25:45,260 --> 02:25:51,220
It was a false invoice for services that were never provided to a company you supposedly had

2765
02:25:51,220 --> 02:25:51,860
never heard of.

2766
02:25:52,220 --> 02:25:57,060
Did you consider for a moment in processing that invoice the damage you were going to do to

2767
02:25:57,060 --> 02:25:58,640
Ryan Tupperty if it was ever found out?

2768
02:25:59,660 --> 02:26:01,240
Again, it wasn't a false invoice.

2769
02:26:02,000 --> 02:26:04,440
And we, and we invoiced Renault first of all.

2770
02:26:04,480 --> 02:26:06,280
Then under instruction, we invoiced the other company.

2771
02:26:06,540 --> 02:26:07,580
We assumed it was Renault paying.

2772
02:26:08,100 --> 02:26:09,060
We all know now.

2773
02:26:09,420 --> 02:26:10,020
We all know now.

2774
02:26:10,400 --> 02:26:10,860
No, no, no.

2775
02:26:11,000 --> 02:26:11,840
You knew then.

2776
02:26:11,840 --> 02:26:13,580
We always assumed that it was Renault paying.

2777
02:26:13,740 --> 02:26:15,380
But again, we were under instruction.

2778
02:26:15,880 --> 02:26:17,240
Renault drive to survive.

2779
02:26:17,240 --> 02:26:20,120
Did you see the invoice before it was issued from your company?

2780
02:26:20,780 --> 02:26:21,620
Did I see it?

2781
02:26:21,780 --> 02:26:22,000
Yes.

2782
02:26:22,400 --> 02:26:22,620
No.

2783
02:26:23,280 --> 02:26:23,940
You didn't see it?

2784
02:26:24,200 --> 02:26:24,540
Sorry.

2785
02:26:25,340 --> 02:26:31,880
The invoice that was issued by CMS to RTE for consultancy service, did you personally see

2786
02:26:31,880 --> 02:26:33,240
that invoice before it issued?

2787
02:26:33,380 --> 02:26:33,540
Yeah.

2788
02:26:33,800 --> 02:26:34,040
Sorry.

2789
02:26:34,200 --> 02:26:34,440
Yeah, no.

2790
02:26:34,700 --> 02:26:36,760
Brian, my, uh, Brian had sent it.

2791
02:26:37,580 --> 02:26:38,220
Who's Brian?

2792
02:26:38,560 --> 02:26:39,480
Brian is our accountant.

2793
02:26:39,680 --> 02:26:39,880
Okay.

2794
02:26:40,120 --> 02:26:41,140
And you didn't see the invoice?

2795
02:26:41,280 --> 02:26:42,760
No, I said Brian had sent it.

2796
02:26:43,400 --> 02:26:44,400
Okay, but did you see it?

2797
02:26:44,480 --> 02:26:44,600
Yeah.

2798
02:26:47,220 --> 02:26:47,760
I know.

2799
02:26:47,960 --> 02:26:48,440
Renault.

2800
02:26:48,720 --> 02:26:51,680
I, obviously I'm aware of it now, but I wouldn't have necessarily,

2801
02:26:51,680 --> 02:26:53,020
been aware of it at the time.

2802
02:26:54,160 --> 02:27:00,360
So you're saying that this invoice that issued to RTE on behalf of CMS for consultancy services,

2803
02:27:00,480 --> 02:27:03,600
you had no sight of that invoice before it issued to RTE?

2804
02:27:04,320 --> 02:27:07,240
Well, the instructions would have went to our accountant.

2805
02:27:08,500 --> 02:27:09,860
From the instructions from who?

2806
02:27:09,940 --> 02:27:10,500
From RTE.

2807
02:27:11,320 --> 02:27:11,600
Yes.

2808
02:27:11,700 --> 02:27:13,800
But again, I'm asking the question the third time.

2809
02:27:13,960 --> 02:27:19,560
The invoice that issued to RTE on behalf of CMS for consultancy services, did you personally see it?

2810
02:27:19,560 --> 02:27:21,100
I honestly can't remember.

2811
02:27:21,580 --> 02:27:22,280
You can't remember.

2812
02:27:22,280 --> 02:27:22,440
No.

2813
02:27:22,440 --> 02:27:23,480
I honestly can't remember.

2814
02:27:23,940 --> 02:27:24,180
Okay.

2815
02:27:24,720 --> 02:27:31,720
How many years has, has, has your company, um, Noel Kelly Management, uh, being issuing invoices to RTE?

2816
02:27:33,300 --> 02:27:38,740
For rent, for a services render from, from a, from a, all your, across all your, uh, roster of clients?

2817
02:27:38,740 --> 02:27:57,080
Well, CMS is our original company, which will be 26 years old. And then NK was formed in 2006 as a separate company just to, to work on, um, talent, books, all that sort of. So it was separated out as a separate company.

2818
02:27:57,080 --> 02:28:00,920
So CMS would have invoiced RTE in previous times for other services rendered?

2819
02:28:00,920 --> 02:28:01,240
Yes.

2820
02:28:02,760 --> 02:28:09,380
In the Grant Thornton report, the reporter, the person who has compiled that audit, says the following.

2821
02:28:09,960 --> 02:28:14,420
I met with the talents agent in relation to this review. Do you recall that meeting?

2822
02:28:14,680 --> 02:28:15,240
Yes, yes.

2823
02:28:16,340 --> 02:28:20,860
And he advised me that, referring to you, and I quote,

2824
02:28:21,020 --> 02:28:29,440
the talents agent understood from this that in a situation where the commercial brand relationship with RTE no longer existed,

2825
02:28:30,160 --> 02:28:33,780
or the commercial brand did not pay the 75,000 euro to the talent,

2826
02:28:34,280 --> 02:28:39,500
that RTE would be obliged to step in and pay the talent this sum.

2827
02:28:40,620 --> 02:28:45,140
Is that your recollection of the engagement and the discussion with the audience?

2828
02:28:47,300 --> 02:28:49,120
Sorry, where exactly is that on the report?

2829
02:28:49,740 --> 02:28:53,720
It's from the report that was submitted by Grant Thornton to the Auditor and Risk Committee RTE.

2830
02:28:53,720 --> 02:28:55,760
Where on the report is it? Sorry, I'm just trying to find it.

2831
02:28:55,820 --> 02:29:00,160
It's on... It's... 2.3.

2832
02:29:00,580 --> 02:29:01,380
2.3.

2833
02:29:02,680 --> 02:29:04,540
Paragraph G. I mean, it's a direct...

2834
02:29:04,540 --> 02:29:05,300
I'm reading...

2835
02:29:05,300 --> 02:29:08,340
He believed that these personal appearance events would endorse and embellish...

2836
02:29:08,340 --> 02:29:10,520
I'm reading directly from the audit of the report.

2837
02:29:10,740 --> 02:29:10,960
Sorry.

2838
02:29:11,140 --> 02:29:15,420
So, D, he believed that these personal appearance events would endorse and embellish

2839
02:29:15,420 --> 02:29:18,920
the commercial brand separate to their commercial brand's TV sponsorship.

2840
02:29:18,920 --> 02:29:19,980
Yeah.

2841
02:29:21,260 --> 02:29:22,340
But do you see point G?

2842
02:29:22,740 --> 02:29:23,180
Oh, sorry.

2843
02:29:23,300 --> 02:29:24,120
I just touched that point D.

2844
02:29:24,220 --> 02:29:24,840
Excuse me. Sorry.

2845
02:29:24,940 --> 02:29:27,840
The talent's agent understood from this in a situation where the commercial brand relationship

2846
02:29:27,840 --> 02:29:31,520
with RTE would no longer exist, or the commercial brand wouldn't pay the 75,000 euro,

2847
02:29:31,520 --> 02:29:36,500
that RTE would be obliged to step in and pay the talent this sum.

2848
02:29:36,900 --> 02:29:39,540
But at any time, we never expected RTE to pay this.

2849
02:29:39,820 --> 02:29:40,040
Ever.

2850
02:29:40,120 --> 02:29:40,420
Ever.

2851
02:29:40,420 --> 02:29:41,860
But you required that RTE would.

2852
02:29:42,000 --> 02:29:42,600
No, we...

2853
02:29:42,600 --> 02:29:44,620
Not with Chairman's Toy Machine.

2854
02:29:44,620 --> 02:29:44,720
Sorry.

2855
02:29:44,720 --> 02:29:48,340
And again, the relationship with RTE is with the sponsor.

2856
02:29:48,340 --> 02:29:48,820
Drive to survive.

2857
02:29:48,820 --> 02:29:49,480
Pure and simple.

2858
02:29:49,480 --> 02:29:49,720
To survive.

2859
02:29:49,720 --> 02:29:51,600
And they manage it so closely.

2860
02:29:51,840 --> 02:29:52,840
And of course they do.

2861
02:29:52,900 --> 02:29:57,100
And want to mind it because it brings in a lot of money over that period.

2862
02:29:58,420 --> 02:29:58,900
Sorry.

2863
02:29:59,460 --> 02:29:59,940
So...

2864
02:29:59,940 --> 02:30:02,780
The bottom line is, Mr. Kelly...

2865
02:30:02,780 --> 02:30:03,180
Sorry.

2866
02:30:03,180 --> 02:30:03,280
Sorry.

2867
02:30:03,280 --> 02:30:03,500
Sorry.

2868
02:30:03,500 --> 02:30:03,800
Sorry.

2869
02:30:03,800 --> 02:30:04,400
That you...

2870
02:30:04,400 --> 02:30:04,760
And...

2871
02:30:04,760 --> 02:30:06,720
You were acting in your client's interests.

2872
02:30:07,440 --> 02:30:13,060
But in order to ensure that this 75,000 euro payment would be made for the whole period of the five-year term...

2873
02:30:13,060 --> 02:30:13,460
Yeah. By Renault.

2874
02:30:13,800 --> 02:30:14,120
That...

2875
02:30:14,120 --> 02:30:14,340
No.

2876
02:30:14,540 --> 02:30:15,580
That is not by Renault.

2877
02:30:15,800 --> 02:30:17,520
You've explicitly asked...

2878
02:30:17,520 --> 02:30:17,660
No.

2879
02:30:18,000 --> 02:30:18,240
Sorry.

2880
02:30:18,360 --> 02:30:18,500
Sorry.

2881
02:30:18,580 --> 02:30:18,740
Sorry.

2882
02:30:18,740 --> 02:30:19,300
That was my point.

2883
02:30:19,380 --> 02:30:19,540
Sorry.

2884
02:30:19,620 --> 02:30:19,780
Sorry.

2885
02:30:19,780 --> 02:30:20,200
Excuse me.

2886
02:30:20,260 --> 02:30:21,020
I'm just getting tired.

2887
02:30:23,740 --> 02:30:24,920
Renault racing shoes.

2888
02:30:25,140 --> 02:30:26,340
The agreement was made.

2889
02:30:27,020 --> 02:30:29,380
As far as I was concerned, it wasn't for RTE to pay.

2890
02:30:29,560 --> 02:30:30,480
Never was for RTE to pay.

2891
02:30:30,600 --> 02:30:33,000
Obviously, the sponsor of the show.

2892
02:30:33,120 --> 02:30:34,100
Because it's extra activities.

2893
02:30:34,420 --> 02:30:35,440
It's a separate contract.

2894
02:30:35,760 --> 02:30:36,400
It shows that...

2895
02:30:36,400 --> 02:30:37,140
It shows that...

2896
02:30:37,140 --> 02:30:39,080
That are still owed.

2897
02:30:40,080 --> 02:30:41,200
Like...

2898
02:30:41,200 --> 02:30:44,660
We never expected that RTE were going to be paying that.

2899
02:30:45,720 --> 02:30:46,540
But yet...

2900
02:30:46,540 --> 02:30:48,400
Why did you require it to be written...

2901
02:30:48,400 --> 02:30:49,540
Why then did you require...

2902
02:30:49,540 --> 02:30:49,540
Sorry.

2903
02:30:49,660 --> 02:30:49,860
Sorry.

2904
02:30:49,960 --> 02:30:50,480
And I'll tell you why.

2905
02:30:50,740 --> 02:30:51,260
In case...

2906
02:30:51,260 --> 02:30:52,520
So, say a new sponsor come in.

2907
02:30:52,620 --> 02:30:54,740
And I don't want to name a brand in case it's...

2908
02:30:54,740 --> 02:30:55,840
So, it's...

2909
02:30:55,840 --> 02:30:56,020
Okay.

2910
02:30:56,260 --> 02:30:57,580
It's fluffy, fluffy, fluffy.

2911
02:30:57,720 --> 02:30:58,440
Can I just stop here?

2912
02:30:58,460 --> 02:31:00,920
You've been mentioning the new sponsor opportunity all day long.

2913
02:31:00,920 --> 02:31:01,080
No.

2914
02:31:01,280 --> 02:31:01,480
I'm not...

2915
02:31:01,480 --> 02:31:02,360
I'm saying it's just...

2916
02:31:02,360 --> 02:31:03,100
Just call it fluffy pillows.

2917
02:31:03,100 --> 02:31:04,060
Whatever, maybe.

2918
02:31:04,320 --> 02:31:05,000
So, once there...

2919
02:31:05,000 --> 02:31:06,520
Yeah, but we're in the middle of a pandemic...

2920
02:31:06,520 --> 02:31:08,240
So, fluffy pillows...

2921
02:31:08,240 --> 02:31:08,980
One voice.

2922
02:31:09,080 --> 02:31:09,620
One voice.

2923
02:31:09,740 --> 02:31:10,800
Featuring red out.

2924
02:31:10,960 --> 02:31:11,320
Et cetera.

2925
02:31:11,440 --> 02:31:17,220
We're not exactly queuing up in the middle of a pandemic to fork out 75,000 euro per annum

2926
02:31:17,220 --> 02:31:18,640
for whatever services might be rendered.

2927
02:31:18,640 --> 02:31:19,140
But, deputies...

2928
02:31:19,140 --> 02:31:20,140
So, the bottom line is...

2929
02:31:20,140 --> 02:31:24,940
So, the bottom line is, you were aware that entering into a really difficult period for the country

2930
02:31:24,940 --> 02:31:30,240
and for business financially, that there was a possibility that any sponsor, no sponsor,

2931
02:31:30,240 --> 02:31:32,560
might exist for the remaining years of the contract.

2932
02:31:32,560 --> 02:31:32,740
Sure.

2933
02:31:33,100 --> 02:31:47,060
And then you asked RTE to ensure that it would underwrite in the event that there was nobody coming on stream, in terms of sponsorship, RTE and the taxpayer and the license payer would be left on the hoop for that 75,000 euro.

2934
02:31:47,060 --> 02:31:59,060
So, in relation to all of that, all we ever wanted to know that if there was another sponsor on board, that we would be informed.

2935
02:31:59,560 --> 02:32:09,120
We asked to be informed in relation to pay increases, pay top ten, and that didn't happen either.

2936
02:32:09,780 --> 02:32:16,960
This is a commercial agreement, a special commercial, a separate commercial agreement with Renault.

2937
02:32:16,960 --> 02:32:20,380
Always to be paid by Renault. We never, ever understood that anyone's who would claim it.

2938
02:32:21,440 --> 02:32:29,540
In those six years, as I've said, from 17 to 22, Brian Trubody's shows brought in 100 million euros.

2939
02:32:29,760 --> 02:32:31,020
That's 100 million euros, right?

2940
02:32:31,180 --> 02:32:36,600
Now, you can say, well, you know, I could bring in 100 million, and maybe you could, you know?

2941
02:32:36,840 --> 02:32:39,680
But at the end of the day, this is a commercial agreement.

2942
02:32:40,100 --> 02:32:41,500
Renault wanted to do the events.

2943
02:32:42,120 --> 02:32:46,780
From RTE's perspective, it was great to embellish and to extend the sponsorship.

2944
02:32:47,400 --> 02:32:48,720
Renault.ie.

2945
02:32:48,720 --> 02:32:50,740
And destruction from RTE, Deputy.

2946
02:32:51,520 --> 02:32:51,820
Okay.

2947
02:32:52,640 --> 02:32:58,200
But why did you insist that RTE would put in an underwriting aspect of the contract?

2948
02:32:58,200 --> 02:32:59,520
In case the sponsor changed.

2949
02:33:00,400 --> 02:33:02,980
Okay, but what if the sponsor left? Well, there were no sponsors.

2950
02:33:02,980 --> 02:33:04,140
If there were no sponsors, then RTE was...

2951
02:33:04,140 --> 02:33:07,400
If there were no sponsors, then you wouldn't be doing events.

2952
02:33:08,480 --> 02:33:10,960
You know, that was to embellish the sponsorship.

2953
02:33:11,460 --> 02:33:12,900
If there was no sponsor, there'd be...

2954
02:33:12,900 --> 02:33:16,740
And as Ryan said, there was literally, there should have been nine done at this stage.

2955
02:33:16,980 --> 02:33:17,760
There was three done.

2956
02:33:18,060 --> 02:33:18,680
There's six owed.

2957
02:33:18,740 --> 02:33:21,180
If they're not called on, that won't be given back.

2958
02:33:21,400 --> 02:33:23,020
So, like, it can't be any clearer than that.

2959
02:33:24,360 --> 02:33:31,460
But in the agreement that you had with RTE, in the account you gave to the auditors, you said the following.

2960
02:33:31,920 --> 02:33:39,060
You said that if the commercial brand did not pay the 75,000 euro to the talent, no mention of any services being rendered...

2961
02:33:39,060 --> 02:33:43,100
...or an additional service being provided that RTE would be in general.

2962
02:33:43,320 --> 02:33:44,100
We have a dialogue.

2963
02:33:44,280 --> 02:33:46,280
A wider conversation needs to be had.

2964
02:33:46,380 --> 02:33:51,720
As a similar conversation, the honest account of the act of account of the original account of the original account is that...

2965
02:33:51,720 --> 02:33:52,440
...assumption made.

2966
02:33:52,440 --> 02:33:55,280
...to include those who may not need to be considered.

2967
02:33:55,280 --> 02:33:57,120
You're not looking at everyone in the context.

2968
02:33:57,400 --> 02:33:58,160
You're taking context.

2969
02:33:58,160 --> 02:33:58,660
You're not taking context.

2970
02:33:58,660 --> 02:33:59,160
You're not taking context.

2971
02:33:59,160 --> 02:34:01,400
And if there was no sponsor, I'm not in the event.

2972
02:34:01,400 --> 02:34:02,640
No, because you're an idiot.

2973
02:34:02,640 --> 02:34:03,240
You're an idiot.

2974
02:34:03,240 --> 02:34:03,900
You're not in the event.

2975
02:34:03,900 --> 02:34:04,440
You're an idiot.

2976
02:34:04,440 --> 02:34:05,440
You're an idiot.

2977
02:34:05,440 --> 02:34:05,440
You're an idiot.

2978
02:34:05,440 --> 02:34:06,440
You're an idiot.

2979
02:34:06,440 --> 02:34:07,440
You're an idiot.

2980
02:34:07,440 --> 02:34:08,440
You're an idiot.

2981
02:34:08,440 --> 02:34:09,440
You're an idiot.

2982
02:34:09,440 --> 02:34:10,440
You're an idiot.

2983
02:34:10,440 --> 02:34:11,440
Especially the idiots.

2984
02:34:11,440 --> 02:34:12,440
You can't say that.

2985
02:34:12,440 --> 02:34:13,440
What I'm saying is...

2986
02:34:13,440 --> 02:34:14,440
But you requested it.

2987
02:34:14,440 --> 02:34:15,440
You actually specifically requested it.

2988
02:34:15,440 --> 02:34:19,440
No, I asked them to underwrite the sponsor agreement so we could actually talk to the sponsor.

2989
02:34:19,440 --> 02:34:29,440
I'm going to finish on this because three weeks, six hours of questioning today, and I appreciate both of you coming in here to try and restore...

2990
02:34:29,440 --> 02:34:30,440
Thank you.

2991
02:34:30,440 --> 02:34:33,440
...and I think it's exceptionally important that we should collectively try and restore the reputation.

2992
02:34:33,440 --> 02:34:34,440
Completely.

2993
02:34:34,440 --> 02:34:39,440
...of our national broadcaster and one of its most gifted broadcasters.

2994
02:34:39,440 --> 02:34:40,440
Right?

2995
02:34:40,440 --> 02:34:43,440
Six hours later, in my opinion, we're no further on.

2996
02:34:43,440 --> 02:34:48,440
And I genuinely mean that with a heart and a half in terms of what we're trying to set out to do here.

2997
02:34:48,440 --> 02:35:04,440
There was a whole issue of the arrangement that was put in place with RTE, the deliberate falsifying of an invoice to channel money deceitfully from RTE through ASTRS back to total.

2998
02:35:04,440 --> 02:35:05,440
Sure.

2999
02:35:05,440 --> 02:35:08,440
All of that, those questions are now left hanging in the air.

3000
02:35:08,440 --> 02:35:12,440
And six hours later, we're no further on in restoring the reputation.

3001
02:35:12,440 --> 02:35:13,440
Sure.

3002
02:35:13,440 --> 02:35:14,440
Deputy, Deputy.

3003
02:35:14,440 --> 02:35:15,440
Deputy, I hear you 100%.

3004
02:35:15,440 --> 02:35:18,440
That's a question for RTE.

3005
02:35:18,440 --> 02:35:20,440
Brands ambassadors.

3006
02:35:20,440 --> 02:35:21,440
It is.

3007
02:35:21,440 --> 02:35:23,440
We have answered everything that we know.

3008
02:35:23,440 --> 02:35:24,440
Dr.

3009
02:35:24,440 --> 02:35:25,440
Keira Kelke.

3010
02:35:25,440 --> 02:35:26,440
Thank you, Deputy.

3011
02:35:26,440 --> 02:35:27,440
Thank you, Deputy.

3012
02:35:27,440 --> 02:35:28,440
Thank you, Deputy.

3013
02:35:28,440 --> 02:35:29,440
Thanks for your look.

3014
02:35:29,440 --> 02:35:32,440
And good afternoon to the witnesses again.

3015
02:35:32,440 --> 02:35:33,440
Thanks for staying with us.

3016
02:35:33,440 --> 02:35:42,440
I just want to start off with the tripartite agreement between Renault Ireland Limited, RTE and Ryan Tuberty.

3017
02:35:43,440 --> 02:35:50,440
Can I ask, Mr. Kelly, were you involved in the negotiations around the content of this agreement?

3018
02:35:50,440 --> 02:35:52,440
The disagreement was put together by RTE.

3019
02:35:52,440 --> 02:35:55,440
Were you involved in the negotiations for it?

3020
02:35:55,440 --> 02:35:57,440
No, it was put together by RTE.

3021
02:35:57,440 --> 02:36:00,440
No matter what they wanted, where it would happen, how it would happen, exactly.

3022
02:36:00,440 --> 02:36:04,440
Okay, so there's very specific detail in here in terms of dates.

3023
02:36:04,440 --> 02:36:09,440
We know those dates because of COVID weren't done or subsequently they were.

3024
02:36:09,440 --> 02:36:14,440
So those dates were put in without any consultation with yourself?

3025
02:36:14,440 --> 02:36:15,440
No, that's right.

3026
02:36:15,440 --> 02:36:20,440
Dates in so far as obviously that the dealership, that it suited the dealership, that Ryan was free.

3027
02:36:20,440 --> 02:36:21,440
I reckon the President.

3028
02:36:21,440 --> 02:36:25,440
So it's obviously the overall...

3029
02:36:25,440 --> 02:36:27,440
Yeah, it's all the logistics of it.

3030
02:36:27,440 --> 02:36:28,440
Okay.

3031
02:36:28,440 --> 02:36:31,440
And hence why there was a requirement for the signature on the back.

3032
02:36:31,440 --> 02:36:35,440
And we know that signature wasn't for coming until April of this year.

3033
02:36:35,440 --> 02:36:38,440
No, but the contract is from RTE.

3034
02:36:38,440 --> 02:36:39,440
Okay.

3035
02:36:39,440 --> 02:36:42,440
So this contract was for one year.

3036
02:36:42,440 --> 02:36:46,440
It was dated October 2020 to the 31st of December 2021.

3037
02:36:46,440 --> 02:36:48,440
Am I right in saying that?

3038
02:36:48,440 --> 02:36:50,440
It's on the front of it here.

3039
02:36:50,440 --> 02:36:53,440
So this tripartite agreement?

3040
02:36:53,440 --> 02:36:56,440
Yeah, the contract's for five years.

3041
02:36:56,440 --> 02:36:58,440
Well, I'm talking specifically about this contractor.

3042
02:36:58,440 --> 02:37:00,440
Oh sure, that's for year one.

3043
02:37:00,440 --> 02:37:02,440
This is for year one.

3044
02:37:02,440 --> 02:37:17,440
So at the end of year one of this, was there renewed communication, renewed negotiations with regard the continuation of year two, three, four, five?

3045
02:37:17,440 --> 02:37:18,440
Sure, sure.

3046
02:37:18,440 --> 02:37:23,440
So two, three, four, five would have just been other venues, other events.

3047
02:37:23,440 --> 02:37:28,440
Again, I'll just discuss with what Rena wanted with RTE and how that would happen.

3048
02:37:28,440 --> 02:37:34,440
So there's no comprehensive negotiation with a view of extending this particular one year contract?

3049
02:37:34,440 --> 02:37:36,440
It's a five year contract.

3050
02:37:36,440 --> 02:37:40,440
Sorry, I'm talking specifically about this, the tripartite agreement?

3051
02:37:40,440 --> 02:37:43,440
Yeah, sorry.

3052
02:37:43,440 --> 02:37:45,440
The RT pres...

3053
02:37:45,440 --> 02:37:47,440
Tripartite with Renault.

3054
02:37:47,440 --> 02:37:48,440
Contract.

3055
02:37:48,440 --> 02:37:49,440
Feel the apartheid.

3056
02:37:49,440 --> 02:37:51,440
Ryan's contract is a five year contract.

3057
02:37:51,440 --> 02:37:52,440
Yes, five year contract.

3058
02:37:52,440 --> 02:37:57,440
But it doesn't, it does not, in Ryan's five year contract, it does not mention any reference to Renault.

3059
02:37:57,440 --> 02:37:58,440
No, no, no.

3060
02:37:58,440 --> 02:38:02,440
It does not mention any reference to his engagements or anything like that.

3061
02:38:02,440 --> 02:38:03,440
Ryan's contract.

3062
02:38:03,440 --> 02:38:13,440
I'm talking specifically about the legal contract which was entered by you for Mr. Tuberty.

3063
02:38:13,440 --> 02:38:17,440
Was there any renegotiation of this after year one?

3064
02:38:17,440 --> 02:38:18,440
No, this was year one.

3065
02:38:18,440 --> 02:38:27,440
No, this was year one of a five year agreement where each year the...

3066
02:38:27,440 --> 02:38:30,440
That's not contained anywhere in this.

3067
02:38:30,440 --> 02:38:31,440
That was year one.

3068
02:38:31,440 --> 02:38:32,440
Okay.

3069
02:38:32,440 --> 02:38:39,440
There's no mention anywhere of any commercial agreement or anything like that contained in this five year contract, is there?

3070
02:38:39,440 --> 02:38:41,440
But the invoice was to Renault?

3071
02:38:41,440 --> 02:38:42,440
No, no.

3072
02:38:42,440 --> 02:38:45,440
I'm asking the five year contract that you refer to...

3073
02:38:45,440 --> 02:38:46,440
Renault!

3074
02:38:46,440 --> 02:38:53,440
Can you point out specifically where there is mention of a commercial arrangement, a commercial agreement in that five year contract?

3075
02:38:53,440 --> 02:38:55,440
Again, the commercial agreement is actually...

3076
02:38:55,440 --> 02:38:58,440
I think you're missing the point.

3077
02:38:58,440 --> 02:38:59,440
We'll move on.

3078
02:38:59,440 --> 02:39:04,440
Sorry, sorry, sorry, they're separate agreements.

3079
02:39:04,440 --> 02:39:11,440
I know they're separate agreements, but you're saying this one year agreement was contained within a five year agreement.

3080
02:39:11,440 --> 02:39:16,440
I'm asking, can you point out specifically where there is mention of a commercial element?

3081
02:39:16,440 --> 02:39:17,440
They're separate.

3082
02:39:17,440 --> 02:39:18,440
They're separate.

3083
02:39:18,440 --> 02:39:19,440
Okay.

3084
02:39:19,440 --> 02:39:20,440
We'll move on.

3085
02:39:20,440 --> 02:39:25,440
Just in relation to the six outstanding gigs that you make reference to.

3086
02:39:25,440 --> 02:39:26,440
Sure.

3087
02:39:26,440 --> 02:39:37,440
RTE feel there, when questioned about the two payments of $75,000, that they were legally obliged to make those payments.

3088
02:39:37,440 --> 02:39:44,440
You're saying that the six gigs that you make reference to, that element, haven't been honoured at this stage.

3089
02:39:44,440 --> 02:39:48,440
So, are RTE wrong in saying that they were legally obliged to make those two payments?

3090
02:39:48,440 --> 02:39:49,440
So...

3091
02:39:49,440 --> 02:39:52,440
If the contract was not fully adhered to?

3092
02:39:52,440 --> 02:39:56,440
So, the six events again, 2021...

3093
02:39:56,440 --> 02:39:57,440
Drive to survive!

3094
02:39:57,440 --> 02:40:03,440
The first three happened 22, the next three 23 this year, and the next 24.

3095
02:40:03,440 --> 02:40:07,440
So, we've established after year one, Renault was no longer paying.

3096
02:40:07,440 --> 02:40:10,440
So, they're out of the picture.

3097
02:40:10,440 --> 02:40:22,440
It was RTE through some mechanism that was contrived to hide the payments, were ultimately going to $275,000 payments.

3098
02:40:22,440 --> 02:40:28,440
So, where is the legal obligation on RTE to pay those $275,000 payments?

3099
02:40:28,440 --> 02:40:33,440
If you're saying that the six gigs that haven't been honoured...

3100
02:40:33,440 --> 02:40:34,440
Sure.

3101
02:40:34,440 --> 02:40:37,440
... cannot be honoured because there is no contract there with Renault now.

3102
02:40:37,440 --> 02:40:44,440
So, on that basis, will those two payments, the $150,000, be repaid towards the year?

3103
02:40:44,440 --> 02:40:46,440
Oh, if you may, do you mind if I come in?

3104
02:40:46,440 --> 02:40:50,440
Without question, I've said this before today and I'd like to clarify it again.

3105
02:40:50,440 --> 02:40:56,440
I have six jobs or gigs, whatever word you wish to do, to use, outstanding.

3106
02:40:57,440 --> 02:41:01,440
And they were paid for, as I say, as you rightly say, in advance.

3107
02:41:01,440 --> 02:41:08,440
The point being, if those gigs are not called upon, if my services aren't called upon, the money goes straight back.

3108
02:41:09,440 --> 02:41:13,440
Okay, so Renault are no more part of the equation, so you cannot do gigs for...

3109
02:41:13,440 --> 02:41:15,440
No, no, no, no, they're outstanding.

3110
02:41:15,440 --> 02:41:18,440
So, for example, if Renault turned around and said, "Actually, we want you to go round..."

3111
02:41:18,440 --> 02:41:21,440
Can we move on? Just in relation to...

3112
02:41:21,440 --> 02:41:27,440
You said, Mr. Kelly, that you didn't really have, you know, a personal relationship with the Director-General.

3113
02:41:27,440 --> 02:41:33,440
Can I ask, in relation to your relationship with the Director of Commercial, Geraldine O'Leary,

3114
02:41:33,440 --> 02:41:37,440
what kind of a relationship would you say you had with Geraldine O'Leary?

3115
02:41:37,440 --> 02:41:42,440
Again, I would have met Geraldine maybe once or twice a year.

3116
02:41:42,440 --> 02:41:47,440
Not actually met her, probably bumped into her, but I wouldn't have a relationship.

3117
02:41:47,440 --> 02:41:51,440
You know, that's commercial. This is the only commercial thing there that we've done.

3118
02:41:51,440 --> 02:41:54,440
So I would be dealing more with the Managing Director of TV...

3119
02:41:54,440 --> 02:41:56,440
Excuse me, sorry.

3120
02:41:56,440 --> 02:41:59,440
So we have no real relationship with Geraldine O'Leary? No, no, no.

3121
02:41:59,440 --> 02:42:10,440
And a lot has come to light in relation to the barter accounts, the misuse of the barter accounts, the slush fund, the trips abroad, everything else that went with it.

3122
02:42:10,440 --> 02:42:21,440
Can I ask you, Mr. Kelly, did you avail of any of those things, trips abroad, golf events, wining, dining, anything like that from RTE?

3123
02:42:21,440 --> 02:42:28,440
I've... To be honest with you, I... I don't go out. I don't do a whole lot.

3124
02:42:28,440 --> 02:42:31,440
Yes or no, yes or no. Did you avail of any of those?

3125
02:42:31,440 --> 02:42:35,440
RTE, I've never been entertained by RTE, and it's not something that I'm interested in.

3126
02:42:35,440 --> 02:42:37,440
In relation to the barter accounts.

3127
02:42:37,440 --> 02:42:39,440
I've never been entertained by RTE, I think he's just said.

3128
02:42:39,440 --> 02:42:42,440
The time we didn't know who asked us was, and we presumed that...

3129
02:42:42,440 --> 02:42:44,440
Okay, okay. No, I asked the new person...

3130
02:42:44,440 --> 02:42:49,440
Sorry, Mr. Kelly. Sorry, Mr. Kelly. I have no friendship or relationship with Geraldine O'Leary.

3131
02:42:49,440 --> 02:42:55,440
You didn't receive any benefit from RTE in terms of any of those trips abroad or...

3132
02:42:55,440 --> 02:42:56,440
No.

3133
02:42:56,440 --> 02:42:58,440
...wining, dining, golf outings or anything like that?

3134
02:42:58,440 --> 02:42:59,440
Did any of your staff members...

3135
02:42:59,440 --> 02:43:01,440
I have no idea of any of that. I have no idea of any of that.

3136
02:43:01,440 --> 02:43:03,440
Okay. Would any of your staff members?

3137
02:43:03,440 --> 02:43:05,440
No. Sure. No, not at all.

3138
02:43:05,440 --> 02:43:11,440
Okay. And in terms of gifts from your company to anyone on RTE, is that something that you would do?

3139
02:43:11,440 --> 02:43:13,440
No. No. Christmas cards.

3140
02:43:13,440 --> 02:43:15,440
Christmas cards. Okay.

3141
02:43:15,440 --> 02:43:16,440
Christmas cards, huh?

3142
02:43:16,440 --> 02:43:20,440
Just in relation to the issuing of default invoices...

3143
02:43:20,440 --> 02:43:21,440
Christmas cards.

3144
02:43:21,440 --> 02:43:33,440
Mr. Kelly, again, you will be acutely aware of the responsibilities for company directors, ensuring that their actions are legal, ethical and in the best interest of the company.

3145
02:43:33,440 --> 02:43:40,440
You know, the due diligence that must be applied. So there's a knownness and a responsibility on you.

3146
02:43:40,440 --> 02:43:47,440
Now you have stated from the outset here and you've held a line that you're acting under the instruction of RTE.

3147
02:43:47,440 --> 02:43:58,440
That, you know, and on that basis, those invoices were issued. Ignorance is no defence in law, Mr. Kelly.

3148
02:43:58,440 --> 02:44:02,440
So do you still stand over that you are doing your job appropriately?

3149
02:44:02,440 --> 02:44:03,440
Sure.

3150
02:44:03,440 --> 02:44:16,440
You are doing your job in not providing any due diligence and no legal oversight. And you still stand over that those invoices were correct and you've done your job appropriately.

3151
02:44:16,440 --> 02:44:21,440
As per page 25, we're acting under instructions for RTE.

3152
02:44:21,440 --> 02:44:30,440
But ignorance is no defence, Mr. Kelly. In hindsight, I'm asking you, do you think you've done your job in issuing those invoices?

3153
02:44:30,440 --> 02:44:36,440
Not whether, whose, whose instructions you were acting under. In hindsight.

3154
02:44:36,440 --> 02:44:41,440
Sure. Sure Debbie, I think hindsight's an incredible thing. But we are here today.

3155
02:44:41,440 --> 02:44:49,440
I know that. And I try to get an answer. And at any time, we're doing it with total transparency and that's what we do.

3156
02:44:49,440 --> 02:44:58,440
Okay. That's what we do. And as I said, we came here today, but within this email that came to me.

3157
02:44:58,440 --> 02:45:04,440
If you send it back to me, I'll sort everything else out. These are RTE instructions.

3158
02:45:04,440 --> 02:45:05,440
Okay. And honestly, I mean like...

3159
02:45:05,440 --> 02:45:13,440
So I'm asking you, I'm asking you in hindsight, the issuing of those two invoices for consultancy fees that we know have been established.

3160
02:45:13,440 --> 02:45:23,440
No consultancy was provided by yourself or Mr. Tuberty. Do you stand over that those invoices were issued correctly and in accordance with the law?

3161
02:45:23,440 --> 02:45:30,440
Those were issued correctly and in accordance with our T's instructions and they're legal.

3162
02:45:30,440 --> 02:45:45,440
Just final question through the chair. I just want to establish a clear timeline in terms of the engagement with the light and who knew what when. I tried to establish that earlier on.

3163
02:45:45,440 --> 02:45:55,440
And Mr. Tuberty, you said earlier on that you found out about the light review. And what date did you say?

3164
02:45:55,440 --> 02:46:00,440
This is the report. The report, yeah. Grant Thornton. Grant Thornton, sorry. Grant Thornton.

3165
02:46:00,440 --> 02:46:07,440
I think sometime around May is from my recollection. It was May or June. I don't know the detail of that.

3166
02:46:07,440 --> 02:46:14,440
I think you said June earlier on, the 22nd of June or something like that. That's good enough for me, yeah.

3167
02:46:15,440 --> 02:46:22,440
Mr. Kelly again. When did you first engage with Grant Thornton?

3168
02:46:22,440 --> 02:46:32,440
So on the 3rd of May, RT Legal emailed us. RT Legal.

3169
02:46:32,440 --> 02:46:40,360
invoice queries 26th of may wrote to us 26th of may would be doing an investigation 31st of may

3170
02:46:43,000 --> 02:46:48,600
and then the 23rd of june which would have been your first time which was when ortee at least

3171
02:46:51,320 --> 02:46:57,000
okay so the day after they made the first statement that's um a whole month in the difference

3172
02:46:57,000 --> 02:47:05,240
between you first finding out um engaging with grant thornton um and mr tuberty first becoming aware

3173
02:47:05,240 --> 02:47:11,000
so there was no engagement between yourself mr kelly and mr troberty in that intervening

3174
02:47:11,000 --> 02:47:19,720
it seems a bit strange a bit bizarre you know would not generate some communication between the two

3175
02:47:19,720 --> 02:47:26,280
years given the seriousness of uh the the charge uh the seriousness of of of the issue so you're

3176
02:47:26,280 --> 02:47:31,320
saying that it was the the third of may and mr company yeah that's right if i if i can answer

3177
02:47:31,320 --> 02:47:36,600
that if i can if i can answer that um you've said the seriousness of the charge

3178
02:47:39,000 --> 02:47:47,480
is the question um in relation to that we willingly met with grant thornton and i i'm sorry i'm sorry

3179
02:47:47,480 --> 02:47:52,520
i'm sorry i'm talking about the month the month difference between you engaging with grant

3180
02:47:52,520 --> 02:47:57,800
and mr public finding out here no no no and the lack of communication that's not something we would i

3181
02:47:57,800 --> 02:48:02,760
know what that sounds probably sounds odd but you wouldn't be talking to me about that stuff on until i

3182
02:48:02,760 --> 02:48:07,720
find that strange i know i appreciate the seriousness of the issue that there would not be no communication

3183
02:48:07,720 --> 02:48:13,080
there and the personal implications i find that very strange i appreciate that i'm now calling on

3184
02:48:13,080 --> 02:48:17,800
senator maria sherlock the floor is yours thank you very much chair and thank you very much to mr

3185
02:48:17,800 --> 02:48:22,200
tobert d and to mr kelly for appearing here today i think we've got a situation where there's a lot of

3186
02:48:22,200 --> 02:48:27,320
people out there very sorely disappointed that we have a a much-loved broadcaster you know embroiled in

3187
02:48:27,320 --> 02:48:34,520
such controversy and now we have the national broadcaster um in broad you know in in a deadly

3188
02:48:34,520 --> 02:48:41,320
series situation so thank you for the paperwork that you you've given to us today um i want to ask a

3189
02:48:41,320 --> 02:48:47,080
series of questions about the the pay cuts and mr tobert you just have to say that the what you've said

3190
02:48:47,080 --> 02:48:55,320
in your statement about the the depiction of the 20 percent cost it does not stack up um uh and and that

3191
02:48:55,320 --> 02:49:01,880
you depict the renault contract as being entirely separate like that the late late show set was to

3192
02:49:01,880 --> 02:49:11,080
be used for these renault um uh gigs does not reflect that this is a separate arrangement in fact you

3193
02:49:11,080 --> 02:49:18,360
were using the rte brand um for this commercial arrangement uh and similarly as well we're not

3194
02:49:18,360 --> 02:49:23,640
comparing comparing like with like because of the reduction in hours because of the increase in the

3195
02:49:23,640 --> 02:49:30,680
pre-records between the 2015 to 2020 contract in the 2020 to 2025 contract so i think that's just

3196
02:49:30,680 --> 02:49:36,760
important certainly in my interpretation of of looking at it but mr kelly i just want to add in your um

3197
02:49:37,400 --> 02:49:45,640
your letters the correspondence back and forth you talk about a 41 reduction over the past five years no

3198
02:49:46,200 --> 02:49:52,760
no well actually sorry just just to say you actually say oh over the last five years and you wrote the

3199
02:49:52,760 --> 02:49:59,320
emails in 2020 so we have to take it it's in the period 2015 to 2020 i can quote you back exactly what

3200
02:49:59,320 --> 02:50:07,240
you said 20 percent no no you said okay i'm gonna have to find it but you said 41 of the last five years so

3201
02:50:07,240 --> 02:50:16,680
um we we we uh this represents a 41 reduction over the past five years and this is an email dated in february

3202
02:50:16,680 --> 02:50:27,800
2020. so when i look at the figures of what you set out in 2017 2018 and 2019 and we expect that what ryan was

3203
02:50:27,800 --> 02:50:34,760
paid was what was published was actually what he was paid in in 2015 and 2016 it's on around two and a

3204
02:50:34,760 --> 02:50:42,520
half million right so if he was to be taking a 41 reduction between the 2015 to 2020 con period relative

3205
02:50:42,520 --> 02:50:48,280
to the 2020 to 2025 period we're looking at some sort of a pay of four over four and a half million or close

3206
02:50:48,280 --> 02:50:54,840
to four and a half million can you explain are there additional payments in 2015 and 2016 that you haven't set out

3207
02:50:54,840 --> 02:51:01,560
here are there additional payments that were on top of the published payments for 2015 and 2016 that would

3208
02:51:01,560 --> 02:51:09,320
add up to the 41 reduction that you talk about in the correspondence sure thank you um the the years

3209
02:51:09,320 --> 02:51:17,880
that are in question are from injury time to 20. but that is okay well sorry just to say just and i just need

3210
02:51:17,880 --> 02:51:23,960
to read you back this represents a 41 reduction over the past five years and you said that in 2020. sure

3211
02:51:23,960 --> 02:51:29,160
i don't think i'm going to get an answer no no i'm trying to give you the answer yeah that was from

3212
02:51:29,160 --> 02:51:41,080
2012 um at a height of 720 000 to 440 000. sorry just your your your own words here do not relate to 2012.

3213
02:51:41,080 --> 02:51:45,720
they relate to the past five years and you wrote this email in 2020. so i've asked you if there were

3214
02:51:45,720 --> 02:51:51,240
additional payments for the years that you have not given us details for today 2015 and 2016. perhaps you may

3215
02:51:51,240 --> 02:51:55,640
wish to come back and furnish the committee but certainly you you've written this a number of

3216
02:51:55,640 --> 02:52:01,000
times in the correspondence sure and it's very clear it's 2015 to 2020 is the period that you're

3217
02:52:01,000 --> 02:52:06,600
talking about no the period i'm talking about is from 2012 to 2020. okay what you wrote so it was factually

3218
02:52:06,600 --> 02:52:12,440
incorrect in in in the correspondence it had to have been you talked about five years sorry where can you

3219
02:52:12,440 --> 02:52:19,160
tell me tell me where that is yeah page 10 page 10. yeah anyway i think you will need to go back and

3220
02:52:19,160 --> 02:52:25,000
review because you do not really refer to 2012 you say the past five years and that email was written in

3221
02:52:25,000 --> 02:52:33,400
2020. i want to ask you about the reno deal because i'm conscious that time is pressing on um we have two documents here

3222
02:52:34,120 --> 02:52:45,880
we have the contract for fees of 440 000 for 20 20 20 20 25. we have a one-year deal between reno and ryan

3223
02:52:45,880 --> 02:52:54,520
tuberty there are no fees uh addressed in this document are there separate is there a separate document

3224
02:52:54,520 --> 02:53:03,160
detailing the fees associated with this work that's a separate contract again i've asked you is there a

3225
02:53:03,160 --> 02:53:07,720
separate document setting out the fees associated with this one-year contract

3226
02:53:11,080 --> 02:53:16,280
yeah um or just sorry that or she drafted that document but the fees are recorded in the emails

3227
02:53:18,040 --> 02:53:24,520
but we don't have the emails to show the final agreement we only have the emails leading up to

3228
02:53:24,520 --> 02:53:33,240
the agreement and and you say that this is a five-year agreement so where is the agreement for the final

3229
02:53:33,240 --> 02:53:42,040
four years because we only have year one here the in the the page 12 the february february emails all

3230
02:53:42,040 --> 02:53:54,040
confirm 75 000. but i don't believe that that is the final is that are you saying that on the 28th of

3231
02:53:54,040 --> 02:54:02,520
february you concluded negotiations between rt and yourselves for the entirety of the the package

3232
02:54:02,520 --> 02:54:08,600
ryan tuberty's package my understanding is that it was july it was when it was concluded it was late in

3233
02:54:08,600 --> 02:54:17,240
that but this was this is where where it was outlined so so basically we just have one or two lines with

3234
02:54:17,240 --> 02:54:24,920
a with an agreement of 75 000 per year every year for five years but there's no detail as to the services

3235
02:54:24,920 --> 02:54:32,360
that would be provided after year one we only have year one's detail of service and i also have page 22

3236
02:54:33,560 --> 02:54:42,360
the email uh invoice request july 2020 and so can again this is this is the relationship between

3237
02:54:42,360 --> 02:54:48,120
orti and reno nothing to do with us can i can imagine please send an invoice for 75 000 to reno ireland

3238
02:54:48,120 --> 02:54:55,240
for the attention of redacted wording as follows sorry what page are you on page 22 page 22 22 deputies

3239
02:54:56,520 --> 02:55:03,160
the page i'm looking at is the final page of the contract

3240
02:55:03,160 --> 02:55:17,560
so so redacted you're saying the email is all that we have with regards to the contract sorry sorry it's page 23

3241
02:55:17,560 --> 02:55:24,680
apologies apologies right right no stress look brian is stressed as fuck so you're saying that all we

3242
02:55:24,680 --> 02:55:33,160
have for the con for the contract between reno and ryan tuberty for the final four years is just based on an invoice

3243
02:55:33,880 --> 02:55:45,640
it's not based on an invoice it's based on orte orte and reno no but sir but but i don't see a contract i just see an email and i just see an invoice there's a piece missing in the middle and it's

3244
02:55:46,200 --> 02:55:51,640
partnership between reno ireland uh bespoke cardish to include personal appearance activity program to be

3245
02:55:51,640 --> 02:56:02,840
agreed between reno ireland or t and nk okay so so where is that that's like page 23 oh no i i i i

3246
02:56:02,840 --> 02:56:09,480
appreciate that but where is the bespoke partnership document for the four years like you've chased up

3247
02:56:09,480 --> 02:56:14,760
so so we we understand that there was a a transfer a payment made for the first year

3248
02:56:14,760 --> 02:56:22,840
from reno right and then there was you you chased up uh two subsequent payments yes for which services

3249
02:56:22,840 --> 02:56:27,640
were not provided services are outstanding no no no i appreciate that sure but you were chasing you know

3250
02:56:27,640 --> 02:56:33,480
payments for services that were not provided services that are outstanding okay so where is the documentation

3251
02:56:33,480 --> 02:56:43,880
detailing the those services to be provided we've never seen that documentation i don't know what sorry uh so

3252
02:56:43,880 --> 02:56:49,480
what documentation well the bespoke partnership like isn't what why would you have a detailed contract

3253
02:56:49,480 --> 02:56:55,560
for year one and not for the following years anyway i just want to i think there's there's a series of

3254
02:56:55,560 --> 02:57:02,840
questions that need to be all our that was because i i want to try and explain everything um the contract was

3255
02:57:02,840 --> 02:57:09,800
rolled over from 20 to 22 obviously with covid so each year there will be different requirements it's time to

3256
02:57:09,800 --> 02:57:15,400
electrify different different events different setups so you know each one that was different events

3257
02:57:15,400 --> 02:57:23,400
different setups so everything was bespoke to when when it worked for you when it when everybody could

3258
02:57:23,400 --> 02:57:28,760
actually do it but we've no paperwork to the services but anyway i need to move on i have three questions

3259
02:57:28,760 --> 02:57:46,360
questions and fairness i need to ask mr chopper do you okay um uh uh right you had a phrase in your your your your your your your your um in the middle of the pandemic i think if i can quote it correctly it was mind yourself mind each other and

3260
02:57:46,360 --> 02:57:54,440
uh upon the conclusion of this package for you in 2020 about seven months later there were pay cuts back

3261
02:57:54,440 --> 02:58:00,840
on the table for rt staff now obviously you're only one you know you're one person is part of a team for

3262
02:58:00,840 --> 02:58:07,240
both your radio program and your television program how did you feel about those pay cuts knowing that you had a guarantee

3263
02:58:07,800 --> 02:58:14,280
for five year period that you would be not asked for any pay cuts well i i believe that i had taken cuts

3264
02:58:14,280 --> 02:58:23,160
and that i was part of the pay cut process so you know i i i see you're trying to quite my

3265
02:58:24,280 --> 02:58:30,840
response to covid and my feeling you seem to be a little bit but because it's just that i would hate that

3266
02:58:31,480 --> 02:58:36,520
it really upsets me to know to think that people would think that i was that i didn't mean that that came from

3267
02:58:36,520 --> 02:58:41,000
a very very important part of my heart you know it really did and you know the being being the no

3268
02:58:41,000 --> 02:58:46,680
just please while i'm here you know the toy show for example and the toy show being presenting that show

3269
02:58:46,680 --> 02:58:52,360
that that's a very that that's part of my essence do you know what i mean and i suppose so all this

3270
02:58:52,360 --> 02:58:57,560
talking and sorry mr just to say but what's what's what's be fair mr i will give you a chance but just

3271
02:58:57,560 --> 02:59:01,320
let the member finish your line of questions of course i apologize because i'm strong because like a

3272
02:59:01,320 --> 02:59:09,880
researcher on your television show yes it takes takes them 12 years to earn 53 945 yeah i know and

3273
02:59:09,880 --> 02:59:15,800
they're extremely good at their job and and so we have on one side a guarantee of no caution and yes then

3274
02:59:15,800 --> 02:59:21,000
people earning that little amount of money that very modest income were going through pay cuts so yeah i

3275
02:59:21,000 --> 02:59:26,440
suppose i'm just asking how you felt i felt that i was operating under the belief that i was undergoing pay

3276
02:59:26,440 --> 02:59:31,400
cuts too so you know obviously totally like outrageously different level i get that but i

3277
02:59:31,400 --> 02:59:35,160
do a different job and everyone brings different things to the table but i understand what you're

3278
02:59:35,160 --> 02:59:39,960
saying okay i mean just reminded debbie or senator you've run out of time completely but if you have one

3279
02:59:39,960 --> 02:59:44,360
last mile of 30 seconds two two very final questions right because i think these are important

3280
02:59:45,080 --> 02:59:50,520
i suppose you you've said a number of times today um mr toberty that you know your job is in front of

3281
02:59:50,520 --> 02:59:57,320
the mic your job is with words not with the accounts and you leave the process to others but as a contractor you

3282
02:59:57,320 --> 03:00:05,400
are a company director every year you have to sign off on a legal document yes as a company director you and

3283
03:00:05,400 --> 03:00:12,200
another director yes and you have to verify you have to to sign off that you have uh you know that

3284
03:00:12,200 --> 03:00:16,520
you've taken responsibility that i paid my taxes well no no no no no actually it's much more detailed than

3285
03:00:16,520 --> 03:00:22,040
that that that you've actually signed off on the veracity of the accounts so when it when you're signing off

3286
03:00:22,040 --> 03:00:28,280
would you not take an interest on how some of those payments originated well i have to say i i i always

3287
03:00:28,840 --> 03:00:36,600
trust my agent who trusts the process who uh who gets the the deal done if you like so yeah i i just

3288
03:00:37,080 --> 03:00:43,640
i believe in it i trust but i think the thing is to conclude yeah and i suppose the last question is

3289
03:00:45,480 --> 03:00:48,920
you know throughout your time as a broadcaster you've had to interview

3290
03:00:49,640 --> 03:00:55,560
p-sheik you know politicians people from all walks of life right and i suppose integral to being a

3291
03:00:55,560 --> 03:01:00,200
broadcaster is integrity yes and i want to ask you now because you make very clear you want to get

3292
03:01:00,200 --> 03:01:06,280
back on air yes i do and i think there's lots of people who want to see you back on air but is your

3293
03:01:06,280 --> 03:01:11,240
integrity damaged do you think given what you've admitted earlier you should have put up your hand

3294
03:01:11,960 --> 03:01:17,560
and you have these payments which i don't think any of us are happy with in terms of you know that

3295
03:01:17,560 --> 03:01:22,440
ultimately were for your benefit but you know they were anonymized your name wasn't on it do you think

3296
03:01:22,440 --> 03:01:27,640
your integrity is damaged i don't think i'm a different person to the one who in the last six

3297
03:01:27,640 --> 03:01:33,720
months or 14 years promoted vince and de paul or no i'm not told children not to bully each other

3298
03:01:35,800 --> 03:01:39,800
no this is my answer to your question or promote child literacy and do all these really important

3299
03:01:39,800 --> 03:01:46,920
things that i think matter not just to me but to you know my fellow citizens like literally kids

3300
03:01:46,920 --> 03:01:52,600
reading all these important things and and and yes this this salary is enormous i understand that

3301
03:01:52,600 --> 03:02:00,120
but that doesn't affect my soul it can't okay we are going to conclude on that senator to our witnesses

3302
03:02:00,120 --> 03:02:04,920
can i just explain to you where we're at okay because i know you're exhausted we're near the end of the day

3303
03:02:04,920 --> 03:02:10,120
we are at the three hour point now because we're a little bit late starting a little bit late back

3304
03:02:10,120 --> 03:02:15,080
from the break you'll be happy to know i'm the last person to have any sort of latitude to ask questions

3305
03:02:15,080 --> 03:02:19,880
i was going to keep my questions not at 10 i was going to keep my questions at four minutes if that's okay

3306
03:02:19,880 --> 03:02:25,080
with you there are three members here who have sat through all of the deliberations over the last couple

3307
03:02:25,080 --> 03:02:31,080
of days with your permission i'd like to give them two minutes each and those being senator timmy dooley

3308
03:02:31,080 --> 03:02:36,840
deputy richard by barrett and senator eugene mark eugene murphy uh they have been here for all but

3309
03:02:36,840 --> 03:02:41,560
would you be agreeable to sitting through another 10 minutes beyond the the time allocated there's

3310
03:02:41,560 --> 03:02:45,320
there's no question i just think two minutes probably isn't a whole heap of time for people i work

3311
03:02:45,320 --> 03:02:50,200
well i used to work in radio i know what two minutes feels like so i i understand and look we're you

3312
03:02:50,200 --> 03:02:55,240
know in for a penny like i mean we're let's let's do what you need to do for a process respect what

3313
03:02:55,240 --> 03:03:00,920
you're doing here so by only if you're not no but but please we're here now so ask your questions and

3314
03:03:00,920 --> 03:03:06,120
i wouldn't say the two minutes like please take take your time but we do understand this we're now into

3315
03:03:06,120 --> 03:03:10,120
our six or seven hours as you can see mr toby they're getting latitude so don't worry about that okay

3316
03:03:10,680 --> 03:03:16,520
uh so i my own slides next if that's okay of course can i just begin as i said i'm not going to take

3317
03:03:16,520 --> 03:03:21,320
10 minutes i'm going to cut to the chase and say that everything definitely kieran cannon has said

3318
03:03:21,320 --> 03:03:26,360
today would be where i would come from and i concur with all of the points he's made here today he

3319
03:03:26,360 --> 03:03:31,000
represents everything and reflects everything that's going on in my head so with the four minutes i have

3320
03:03:31,000 --> 03:03:36,600
i have a couple of questions to you mr kelly first can i ask you how many personalities let's say we're

3321
03:03:37,080 --> 03:03:42,840
refraining from calling people top ten personalities will say in rte do you represent that work in rte currently

3322
03:03:42,840 --> 03:03:49,480
maybe you may not know that top of your head seven in total seven and but only three that would have

3323
03:03:50,040 --> 03:03:57,640
a contract for tv and radio the rest would just have you know sort of small contracts okay can i ask

3324
03:03:57,640 --> 03:04:05,560
you you have been opinions today to remind my colleagues in the public that you have worked with rte over the last 23 years am i right

3325
03:04:05,560 --> 03:04:11,960
three years yeah 23 years in those 23 years representing various personalities have you ever been instructed

3326
03:04:12,680 --> 03:04:19,640
instructed as you said today by rte to raise invoices that didn't accurately reflect the service you were

3327
03:04:19,640 --> 03:04:24,760
providing or that your personalities were providing in those 23 years was this the first and only time

3328
03:04:24,760 --> 03:04:30,040
you can recall that you're ever at and can i ask you why you went along with it and why you didn't disagree

3329
03:04:30,040 --> 03:04:34,440
with that because we've been working with them for 23 years like i trusted the process

3330
03:04:37,560 --> 03:04:43,960
to you mr toby two quick questions you said if i'm right that uh you have worked with rt or been around

3331
03:04:43,960 --> 03:04:51,160
the corridors of rt since you were 12 in 1986 very good yeah can i ask you were you ever employed directly

3332
03:04:51,160 --> 03:05:00,280
by rt yes i would have been for for a while when i was uh uh probably about 26 or seven for a few years

3333
03:05:00,280 --> 03:05:07,160
and then it became apparent that my career was going in a different direction to maybe i had realized i didn't

3334
03:05:07,160 --> 03:05:11,880
know and then at that stage you know somebody who i trust said to me look you're going to be moving

3335
03:05:11,880 --> 03:05:16,360
into a different level now and with that you should have somebody minding your business because you're

3336
03:05:16,360 --> 03:05:21,720
you're completely incompetent at this okay and they were correct well can i ask you at what point in

3337
03:05:21,720 --> 03:05:28,040
your career was that you were advised by somebody in rte to not be a direct employee to go solo as you

3338
03:05:28,040 --> 03:05:32,520
said yourself and get yourself an external contractor i couldn't give you the exact year not to be evasive

3339
03:05:33,000 --> 03:05:39,400
just a simple matter of of memory but um probably around the time of tuberty tonight which then plus

3340
03:05:39,400 --> 03:05:45,080
14 plus five so about 20 years ago thereabouts and can i ask you more sorry maybe 25. who in rte gave

3341
03:05:45,080 --> 03:05:48,680
you that advice i have no idea i couldn't tell you for a minute it's not that i'm trying to protect

3342
03:05:48,680 --> 03:05:53,240
them which is just 25 years ago but that concludes my questions i'm trying to keep actually it was a

3343
03:05:53,240 --> 03:05:58,760
fellow presenter at the time no one's reminding me here it was jerry ryan actually not um not a member of

3344
03:05:58,760 --> 03:06:03,320
um staff if you like okay that's going to conclude my questions because as i said i concur with

3345
03:06:03,320 --> 03:06:08,520
everything deputy kieran cannon has said and i'm going to move on really quickly uh our non-members if

3346
03:06:08,520 --> 03:06:12,040
you can just be respectful of the fact that our colleagues are staying on or our witness are staying

3347
03:06:12,040 --> 03:06:16,360
on so to keep to your three minutes if that's okay uh senator timiduley thank you very much chair and

3348
03:06:16,360 --> 03:06:22,680
just to thank the witness to recognize that they're here of their own free will um from my perspective um

3349
03:06:23,560 --> 03:06:30,920
i'm here to try to hold rte to account i welcome you as witnesses um not here to hold you to account

3350
03:06:30,920 --> 03:06:37,240
um you're separate to the to to to to what this committee um is trying to do and the big issue for

3351
03:06:37,240 --> 03:06:45,880
us from rt's perspective over recent weeks has been the view expressed by the chair of the board eventually

3352
03:06:45,880 --> 03:06:53,480
of rte that there was an effort to conceal the payments to mr tubby which you've identified and

3353
03:06:53,480 --> 03:06:57,880
it's in the grand thorns report that you had no hand act apart in that i think people accept that

3354
03:06:57,880 --> 03:07:03,880
generally but there's an issue within rte management within rte in the very early stages seem to suggest

3355
03:07:03,880 --> 03:07:10,840
that only one person knew the entirety of that the Taoiseach various government ministers have said that's not

3356
03:07:10,840 --> 03:07:16,440
credible no i don't think it's credible i'd like to know what you think mr kelly having been involved

3357
03:07:16,440 --> 03:07:22,120
in the negotiations in the discussion sure um do you think d forbes is the only person that you not at all

3358
03:07:22,680 --> 03:07:28,440
um not at all and could you identify faro's recognizing the privilege but if i if i could

3359
03:07:28,440 --> 03:07:33,560
just say to you that any meeting that i ever had with with miss forbes and it was six or seven and i can't

3360
03:07:33,560 --> 03:07:41,560
even remember it that was about it was always with her with her her her um chief financial officers or or

3361
03:07:41,560 --> 03:07:46,520
or their people or her legal team or other parts of the legal team as well she was never on her own

3362
03:07:46,520 --> 03:07:51,880
she was never on her own she couldn't um like there's nobody nobody can make that decision no director

3363
03:07:51,880 --> 03:07:57,320
general um no chair did have to it have to be discussed by by too many people so so that's the

3364
03:07:57,320 --> 03:08:03,880
bizarreness that one person could actually okay i'm sorry to be rushing because i don't want to i

3365
03:08:03,880 --> 03:08:10,120
don't want to upset our chair um miss o'keefe last week talked about you know and you've heard it from

3366
03:08:10,120 --> 03:08:15,080
others that things were stalled and that they had to try to get a deal you were doing the best you can

3367
03:08:15,080 --> 03:08:21,160
for your client that's totally understandable and that this notion of a commercial deal was added in

3368
03:08:23,160 --> 03:08:28,360
i don't want to be critical to be respectful to everyone i think it stretches a little bit to

3369
03:08:28,360 --> 03:08:32,920
suggest that the two are separate because in all the emails it appears that the commercial

3370
03:08:33,560 --> 03:08:38,600
this commercial deal with with reynolds is stitched into the emails it doesn't make its way

3371
03:08:38,600 --> 03:08:43,480
into the contract but it's stitched in in the in the chronology of the emails so

3372
03:08:44,680 --> 03:08:50,520
part of the remuneration you didn't think it was going to be paid by rt i accept that and i accept but but

3373
03:08:50,520 --> 03:08:56,840
but ryan has said that he didn't expect rt to be paying for that's fine but the head the the miss o'keefe

3374
03:08:56,840 --> 03:09:03,400
indicated that when things stalled the head of content started to discuss and negotiate with you can

3375
03:09:03,400 --> 03:09:09,720
you talk to us a little bit about how what what transpired in those discussions so that was with you

3376
03:09:09,720 --> 03:09:35,480
i get it i get it i get it but traditionally we would just on this issue with the wizard but but but this is this is the back to the issue so we would meet with the md of radio the md of tv and collectively they would say we want municipal sequester units

3377
03:09:38,600 --> 03:09:44,200
15 year sequester with no right to reply and all meals without salt

3378
03:09:44,200 --> 03:09:52,280
the new renault sequester 15 day junket around the promenade of dreams

3379
03:09:56,920 --> 03:09:59,800
crazy to think in two years time we're going to be sequestered

3380
03:10:03,800 --> 03:10:11,080
i returned to work after the five weeks sequester i felt refreshed in my usual self

3381
03:10:14,920 --> 03:10:20,600
i think there's one thing that these globalists really need to know and then once they do know they'll fear and that's

3382
03:10:21,320 --> 03:10:35,800
but once we cage them up into a lock box we'll throw away the key and we'll weld another cage around that cage as well because these cunts need to realize that they're getting sequestered

3383
03:10:44,920 --> 03:10:54,520
value out of the sponsorship and keep the sponsor on for for for for the period of of the five years and i get that but i i i it it it it stretches things with everything we've heard

3384
03:10:54,520 --> 03:10:55,260
everything we've heard.

3385
03:10:55,420 --> 03:10:55,780
Senator?

3386
03:10:56,100 --> 03:10:58,320
But it goes back then to the point that I think Ciarán Cannon raised,

3387
03:10:58,420 --> 03:11:00,580
which was that point G in the Grant Thornton report,

3388
03:11:00,680 --> 03:11:01,620
that makes it very clear.

3389
03:11:01,760 --> 03:11:03,280
And you've used a word throughout the day,

3390
03:11:03,300 --> 03:11:05,080
and I've listened intently to what you've said.

3391
03:11:05,420 --> 03:11:07,940
You've talked about underwriting and you've explained that.

3392
03:11:08,680 --> 03:11:10,660
But in all the emails that you make to RTE,

3393
03:11:10,900 --> 03:11:13,600
and I think if I was looking for an agent,

3394
03:11:13,740 --> 03:11:15,540
I'd be looking for someone like you on my side.

3395
03:11:16,620 --> 03:11:18,980
I'd be looking for the fellow who has the top seven that I don't have.

3396
03:11:19,080 --> 03:11:21,540
You'd be looking for somebody that could generate more money than I might.

3397
03:11:21,660 --> 03:11:21,840
But anyway.

3398
03:11:22,700 --> 03:11:25,000
You also stitch in the word guarantee.

3399
03:11:26,540 --> 03:11:30,180
So you talk about underwriting and guaranteeing.

3400
03:11:30,440 --> 03:11:33,420
And when you go into the Grant Thornton report at item G,

3401
03:11:33,880 --> 03:11:36,820
it also talks about that your understanding was that,

3402
03:11:37,200 --> 03:11:40,360
and I'll have to paraphrase, but somebody can quote it later,

3403
03:11:40,900 --> 03:11:44,160
that in the event of the sponsor going away,

3404
03:11:45,220 --> 03:11:47,480
if the sponsor going away are moving to some...

3405
03:11:47,480 --> 03:11:50,360
I'll just get it because I have it here, Chairman, and I'll be very brief.

3406
03:11:50,360 --> 03:11:51,460
So it says,

3407
03:11:51,880 --> 03:12:17,460
The talent also understood that RTE, okay, understood that this is a situation where the commercial brand, okay, the talent agent understood from this, that in a situation where the commercial brand relationship with RTE no longer existed, or the commercial brand did not pay the 75,000 to the talent, that RTE would be obliged to step in and pay the talent this sum.

3408
03:12:17,460 --> 03:12:31,880
Now, I have to read that as it is. It's hard to see why that would be the case if RTE were the one that came up with this idea. Do you know what I'm saying? Isn't it kind of hard to figure that?

3409
03:12:31,880 --> 03:12:45,440
Again, the relationship with the sponsors is with RTE. And what I was trying to protect was that if the sponsor changed, and the sponsor's still there, the sponsor's still there, and this is year, it's 2021-22, this is four years later.

3410
03:12:45,860 --> 03:12:55,660
So if the sponsor changed, that we will be able to literally have a conversation with the sponsor in relation to what they would need, because we haven't got that relationship.

3411
03:12:55,660 --> 03:12:59,260
We don't have that relationship. That's an RTA and sponsored relationship.

3412
03:12:59,260 --> 03:12:59,420
I know.

3413
03:12:59,640 --> 03:13:01,240
I'm really going to have to stop.

3414
03:13:01,240 --> 03:13:01,540
Thank you.

3415
03:13:02,240 --> 03:13:02,580
Thank you.

3416
03:13:03,260 --> 03:13:04,980
Richard Boye-Barrett had three minutes.

3417
03:13:05,400 --> 03:13:08,980
Okay, thanks. And look, this has been intense for everybody.

3418
03:13:09,160 --> 03:13:12,160
So I understand seven hours of this is difficult.

3419
03:13:12,300 --> 03:13:18,000
But what we do, our job is to recognise that people who are the biggest victims are the TV licence payer.

3420
03:13:18,000 --> 03:13:23,440
And indeed the other RT staff who have been affected by this.

3421
03:13:24,000 --> 03:13:27,540
And who are required to take substantial pay cuts.

3422
03:13:28,240 --> 03:13:29,620
It's our job to ask these questions.

3423
03:13:30,180 --> 03:13:31,620
We've been waiting.

3424
03:13:32,440 --> 03:13:42,720
At the heart of this, it seems to me, is that publicly it was stated that everybody, including Ryan, were taking pay cuts at the time.

3425
03:13:44,300 --> 03:13:51,040
And then we have discovered that there were these payments being made, right, which were kept secret.

3426
03:13:52,340 --> 03:13:56,820
Which RT executives have acknowledged was an organised deception.

3427
03:13:58,020 --> 03:14:05,380
And that they were mislabeled as consultancy fees, these payments, by somebody.

3428
03:14:06,020 --> 03:14:08,300
Right now, Noel has said, well, it was nothing to do with us.

3429
03:14:08,380 --> 03:14:13,000
That was under RT instructions, which is a little bit difficult to credit.

3430
03:14:13,260 --> 03:14:18,780
But the other bit of your narrative, and this is the bit I want to just concentrate on.

3431
03:14:18,840 --> 03:14:31,340
It's following on from what Timmy said, is that the commercial arrangement and the pay reduction that was publicly stated as having happened were somehow two separate things.

3432
03:14:32,780 --> 03:14:34,940
Now, can I just put it to you honestly?

3433
03:14:34,940 --> 03:14:47,280
Honestly, that doesn't look credible from the emails that are exchanged between Noel Kelly and the RT during that early period in 2020.

3434
03:14:48,000 --> 03:15:00,520
Because the first mention, the first mention in the emails, now I haven't seen all the correspondence, but the first mention of the 75,000 from a commercial relationship is put forward by you now.

3435
03:15:00,840 --> 03:15:02,720
That's the first mention that I see.

3436
03:15:03,300 --> 03:15:11,220
It also says, in that very first email on January the 16th, terms and conditions of this underwritten and guaranteed by RTE.

3437
03:15:11,320 --> 03:15:21,860
It goes on to say that the fees above would include the 120,000 owed to Ryan, and it also suggests there should be four less shows and a reduction in radio shows.

3438
03:15:21,960 --> 03:15:37,100
In other words, the negotiating position that you were adopting on behalf of Ryan was linked to the overall pay cut, but then seemed to be insisting on things that would effectually mean that the pay cut wouldn't happen in real terms.

3439
03:15:38,360 --> 03:15:42,900
Isn't that a reasonable reading of what we're seeing here?

3440
03:15:43,160 --> 03:15:51,840
And that in the negotiation then, basically there's a pushback from RTE over a lot of the conditions that you seem to be insisting on.

3441
03:15:52,520 --> 03:16:05,900
And if I might just put this other bit, it also refers on the 19th of February to you saying as part of this negotiating process that we had a meeting with our clients, which is Ryan, in the process of these negotiations.

3442
03:16:06,900 --> 03:16:16,180
So that you were discussing the details, or at least according to your email to RTE, you were discussing the details of this back and forward of negotiations.

3443
03:16:16,620 --> 03:16:19,120
So this is in the emails that you've provided us.

3444
03:16:19,520 --> 03:16:21,420
Now, I haven't even had a chance to read them all.

3445
03:16:22,080 --> 03:16:23,900
But that, on the face, that's what it looks like.

3446
03:16:24,900 --> 03:16:34,500
From here, and I'm trying to be genuinely objective, and I hear what you're saying, but that looks like you are pushing for everything to mitigate against the pay cut.

3447
03:16:35,700 --> 03:16:36,860
Do you want to cut it?

3448
03:16:37,360 --> 03:16:38,140
Is it okay?

3449
03:16:38,460 --> 03:16:50,280
So, page five of the relevant documents is from, again, the chief legal officer, sorry, the CFO.

3450
03:16:51,140 --> 03:16:55,380
And point four, commercial sponsor with third party facilitated by RTE.

3451
03:16:56,080 --> 03:17:03,440
It wasn't started, or it wasn't, we didn't go looking for that or start, that was completely facilitated by them.

3452
03:17:03,980 --> 03:17:10,980
In relation to contract, of course, if I could just answer, in relation to contract, there's always, there's always back and forth.

3453
03:17:11,140 --> 03:17:19,180
RTE's job is to give, and BBC and ITV, is to give as little as possible to get the greatest return, to get the greatest commercial return.

3454
03:17:19,260 --> 03:17:22,540
And it's all based on advertising and commercial revenue.

3455
03:17:22,740 --> 03:17:24,760
But no, no, I have to honestly say this.

3456
03:17:24,840 --> 03:17:35,560
The first mention in the email back and forth of a commercial arrangement is in your correspondence, where you set down the conditions of accepting the overall pay reduction.

3457
03:17:35,700 --> 03:17:44,100
And then, in fact, it's clear from the responses from RTE that they only subsequently identified who that commercial entity might be.

3458
03:17:44,420 --> 03:17:54,920
I was, I, so, that email, that you referenced, Deputy, was in response to point four, commercial sponsorship with third party facilitated by RTE.

3459
03:17:55,480 --> 03:17:56,800
Page five, point four.

3460
03:17:56,940 --> 03:17:59,540
So, I was responding to that.

3461
03:17:59,980 --> 03:18:01,780
So, I had no emails originated.

3462
03:18:02,000 --> 03:18:05,240
All along, it was an RTE and a Renault sponsorship.

3463
03:18:05,620 --> 03:18:07,460
And they guarded jealously.

3464
03:18:07,780 --> 03:18:08,800
You know, and of course you would.

3465
03:18:08,800 --> 03:18:13,880
And commercial, in commercial organisations, they mind their advertisers, they mind the sponsors.

3466
03:18:14,120 --> 03:18:16,840
And that's what you have to do to make sure that they come back again.

3467
03:18:16,920 --> 03:18:17,560
So, that's all that that was.

3468
03:18:17,560 --> 03:18:18,300
No, I'll be honest.

3469
03:18:18,560 --> 03:18:22,080
From looking at this, it doesn't look that way.

3470
03:18:22,300 --> 03:18:22,480
Right.

3471
03:18:22,560 --> 03:18:23,480
I've just been honest with you.

3472
03:18:24,020 --> 03:18:25,360
Very last, just...

3473
03:18:25,360 --> 03:18:26,440
Absolutely.

3474
03:18:27,320 --> 03:18:32,080
On the tripartite agreement that...

3475
03:18:32,080 --> 03:18:32,680
Excuse me, sorry.

3476
03:18:33,240 --> 03:18:45,440
...for October 2020-21, could you just explain why it wasn't signed by, I think it's Niamh McCormack, on behalf of Ryan Tuberty, until the 21st of the 4th, 2023.

3477
03:18:45,440 --> 03:18:46,040
Because...

3478
03:18:46,640 --> 03:18:49,180
And last question, because I won't get another chance.

3479
03:18:49,960 --> 03:18:53,700
Ryan, do you think, on reflection...

3480
03:18:53,700 --> 03:18:53,920
Yep.

3481
03:18:54,260 --> 03:18:55,700
Right, when you look at what's happened...

3482
03:18:55,700 --> 03:18:55,900
Yes.

3483
03:18:55,980 --> 03:18:57,780
...the public feeling about this...

3484
03:18:57,780 --> 03:18:57,940
Yes.

3485
03:18:58,960 --> 03:19:07,560
Do you think people would be justified in saying that the huge sort of gap between the pay that top presenters such as yourself get...

3486
03:19:07,560 --> 03:19:07,740
Yes.

3487
03:19:07,780 --> 03:19:11,240
...and what the production team at the back, which is a fraction of that...

3488
03:19:11,240 --> 03:19:11,480
Yes.

3489
03:19:11,900 --> 03:19:16,820
...should be something that people fairly would look at and question the gap between those.

3490
03:19:16,820 --> 03:19:17,520
Mean, yes, hooverous stuff. Thank you very much.

3491
03:19:17,520 --> 03:19:18,580
I would agree with...

3492
03:19:18,580 --> 03:19:20,540
Mr. Toby, can I just ask you to pause for a second...

3493
03:19:20,540 --> 03:19:23,400
Hello, Frances. Do you have any plans for regular streams?

3494
03:19:23,800 --> 03:19:24,620
And she's very conscious...

3495
03:19:24,620 --> 03:19:26,060
Look, I want to get back streaming.

3496
03:19:26,340 --> 03:19:27,640
So, just before you respond...

3497
03:19:27,640 --> 03:19:28,580
I want to get back streaming.

3498
03:19:28,600 --> 03:19:34,020
...would you mind if I just ask Senator Murphy if he had a quick question or comment that he could come in with that, and then you could respond over to everybody.

3499
03:19:34,020 --> 03:19:35,840
As a group, I'm not trying to avoid your question, obviously.

3500
03:19:35,840 --> 03:19:36,960
Yeah, yeah, no, you're fine.

3501
03:19:37,020 --> 03:19:37,280
Thank you.

3502
03:19:37,440 --> 03:19:38,720
Senator Murphy, yeah?

3503
03:19:38,860 --> 03:19:41,320
You've done this as well, because you've managed to get everybody in.

3504
03:19:41,380 --> 03:19:45,780
I really appreciate Ryan and Noel that you've come here in your own capacity.

3505
03:19:46,020 --> 03:19:50,840
You offer to come here, and you've had six grueling hours. There's no doubt about that.

3506
03:19:50,840 --> 03:19:54,800
And I also know this takes a toll on families, because we as politicians know...

3507
03:19:54,800 --> 03:19:55,660
Glad you mentioned that.

3508
03:19:55,660 --> 03:19:56,800
...when something happens...

3509
03:19:56,800 --> 03:19:57,560
Thank you for saying that.

3510
03:19:57,560 --> 03:19:59,780
...ourselves, we see how our families are affected.

3511
03:19:59,800 --> 03:20:00,900
There's a lot of collateral damage.

3512
03:20:00,920 --> 03:20:03,360
And I brought this up again. It happens to politicians all the time.

3513
03:20:03,520 --> 03:20:03,700
True.

3514
03:20:03,780 --> 03:20:06,180
And unfortunately, we have a social media element...

3515
03:20:06,180 --> 03:20:06,460
Yeah.

3516
03:20:06,900 --> 03:20:10,780
...which have, on numerous occasions, have had total disrespect for people.

3517
03:20:10,780 --> 03:20:15,800
You know something? I hope that I can come back here in another capacity to talk to a committee about mental health and online media.

3518
03:20:15,920 --> 03:20:16,740
So, at least...

3519
03:20:16,740 --> 03:20:17,900
And traditional media.

3520
03:20:18,180 --> 03:20:18,680
So, at least...

3521
03:20:18,680 --> 03:20:19,640
But, yeah, that's another day's work.

3522
03:20:19,820 --> 03:20:24,420
We live in a country where you people present yourself to come here, and we can question you.

3523
03:20:24,480 --> 03:20:25,020
And look...

3524
03:20:25,020 --> 03:20:26,040
That's democracy in action.

3525
03:20:26,300 --> 03:20:26,520
Yes.

3526
03:20:26,600 --> 03:20:28,460
Have you questions, Senator Murphy? Questions?

3527
03:20:28,460 --> 03:20:29,600
Very quick questions. Very quick questions.

3528
03:20:30,040 --> 03:20:31,840
One, do you accept that this...

3529
03:20:31,840 --> 03:20:33,740
Mr Kelly, also, thank you for coming.

3530
03:20:33,740 --> 03:20:37,420
Do you accept that this looks a bit of a three-carat trick to the public?

3531
03:20:38,200 --> 03:20:41,500
Number two, do you accept that it looks to be a shady deal?

3532
03:20:42,640 --> 03:20:45,280
Now, I mean, you've said a lot of downturn tea here.

3533
03:20:45,800 --> 03:20:48,300
So, on that basis, do you accept that this looks a shady deal?

3534
03:20:48,300 --> 03:20:48,840
Final question?

3535
03:20:48,940 --> 03:20:50,400
Final question to you, Ryan.

3536
03:20:51,120 --> 03:20:56,840
Are you sorry now that you didn't stay on as an employee of RT, rather than go down the road of conduct?

3537
03:20:56,840 --> 03:20:57,960
So, we give the closing remarks...

3538
03:20:57,960 --> 03:20:59,760
I've got more to ask, but I'd like to be...

3539
03:20:59,760 --> 03:21:00,100
I appreciate it.

3540
03:21:00,100 --> 03:21:02,980
...to our witnesses. So, who wants to go first?

3541
03:21:03,360 --> 03:21:03,580
No.

3542
03:21:04,300 --> 03:21:05,160
Okay, do you want to say a few words?

3543
03:21:05,160 --> 03:21:21,420
I... This... As Ryan said earlier on, I'll say myself, I don't do interviews. It's not what I do. That's not my job. That's what Ryan does. That's what his job is. And the fantastic people that we work with as well, and the great teams.

3544
03:21:21,880 --> 03:21:31,740
The last two and a half weeks have been absolutely horrendous. And as you said, Deputy Murphy, on family, on my children, on my business, on my name.

3545
03:21:33,400 --> 03:21:45,660
And I'm here, and we came here today, to put everything that we had. And that's exactly... We put everything... As Ryan said, when he left everything that he had on the floor, we've put everything we've had into this. We have gone through everything, everything, everything.

3546
03:21:50,980 --> 03:22:11,980
Intentional, unintentional, whatever. When the statement came out from Ortiz on the 22nd of June, and we asked them, and we had to ask... We had to get our lawyers to ask them. And this is why I kept on putting into correspondence, can you please inform us when you're sending out stuff? Can you please? And no, no, no. And it's David and Goliath. It's just, you know, it's going into a vacuum. And hopefully that will change.

3547
03:22:11,980 --> 03:22:26,520
Tubbs... Tubbs... Tubbs' democracy... Mocracy in action. Thank you very much. And Quibb. Could we... Thank you very much as well. Could we see it? Eventually saw it, asked them whether they could... Chocolate Reynolds scroll down a bit. No way. And they didn't. Var and Hadbury, thank you very much.

3548
03:22:26,980 --> 03:22:54,980
With being an agent. I'm the only... I'm the only person that the people we represent have. I am the shop steward. Where's the care... Where's the duty of care to Ryan over the last three weeks? Who reached out to see how he was? And his family. And this isn't a pity party. We're big boys. But it's been pretty horrendous. Horrendous. And I wouldn't wish it on anybody. And I thank you because we believe in the house. And that's why we've come here and we haven't talked to anybody.

3549
03:22:54,980 --> 03:23:03,220
Only yourselves. That's why we've come here. We believe in the house. And we believe in the process. And thank you for giving us the opportunity. It's really appreciated.

3550
03:23:03,520 --> 03:23:05,700
Thank you, Mr. Kelly. Mr. Tobey, any final?

3551
03:23:05,820 --> 03:23:15,360
Yeah, of course. Very briefly because... My goodness, it's time to wrap, as I say. But thanks. Just in answer to your question, Deputy Boy Barrett, about the salary situation.

3552
03:23:15,360 --> 03:23:23,660
Yeah, of course. It's all changed now, isn't it? And rightly so. And, you know, if I do go back to RTE, which I hope to,

3553
03:23:24,160 --> 03:23:30,700
it'll be a whole new world order. And that's why I said today, and I'd love to be part of the catharsis for the place.

3554
03:23:30,760 --> 03:23:37,320
Because it's a great old place. And, you know, that's why I offered today. I'd like to release, if I was to sign another contract,

3555
03:23:37,420 --> 03:23:44,620
I'd put it out to the public straight away. No messing. No three-year. Carry on. You know, I'd be part and parcel of the new process

3556
03:23:44,620 --> 03:23:51,160
to build trust with my colleagues and the listeners. No viewers anymore, but listeners anyway. So that's what I'd say to you, Vlad.

3557
03:23:51,160 --> 03:23:56,520
to you, Vlad. There's a lot of talk today about the talent in RTE. I hate being referred to as the

3558
03:23:56,520 --> 03:24:02,520
talent. I think it's an obscene, outdated word. The talent in RTE, as you know, work in the reception

3559
03:24:02,520 --> 03:24:09,120
and they work in security and in makeup and hair and sound and camera and production. That's the

3560
03:24:09,120 --> 03:24:12,680
talent. They're the people who make the programs you listen to driving into work every day and the

3561
03:24:12,680 --> 03:24:16,480
TV shows you watch at six o'clock and beyond nationwide, what have you. That's the talent.

3562
03:24:16,920 --> 03:24:21,840
So if we do anything to change the language around RTE, please take that silly word off the

3563
03:24:21,840 --> 03:24:27,380
contracts going forward. They're colleagues. No one's more is better than anyone else. I'd like to thank

3564
03:24:27,380 --> 03:24:34,260
you, Cahirlock, for your chairing of this, to the members for your robust but respectful questions

3565
03:24:34,260 --> 03:24:41,600
and your time, and for the courtesy extended to us. I'd like to particularly thank the captain of the

3566
03:24:41,600 --> 03:24:49,320
guard in Leinster House and his team, who are exceptionally decent and generous, and to the

3567
03:24:49,320 --> 03:24:53,880
catering staff, who for some weird reason I always get on really well with. You wouldn't

3568
03:24:53,880 --> 03:25:00,320
think it to look at me, but I do. And thank you for everything, and as I say, to my family, for their

3569
03:25:00,320 --> 03:25:04,880
ongoing loyalty, and to the good people of Ireland who've been kind to me in the last three weeks,

3570
03:25:04,980 --> 03:25:34,960
kindness I will never forget. Thank you.

3571
03:25:34,960 --> 03:25:37,440
The future of sports in broadcasting in Ireland.

3572
03:25:37,440 --> 03:25:40,680
It started very promisingly earlier when we came back from the break.

3573
03:25:41,000 --> 03:25:47,700
It started very promising, but unfortunately it petered out into what can only be described

3574
03:25:47,700 --> 03:25:57,340
as a damp squib. And I'm more confused now than before the day had started. I don't really

3575
03:25:57,340 --> 03:26:02,920
know what was addressed there or what the main cut and thrust or what the main sizzle points

3576
03:26:02,920 --> 03:26:11,140
were. There was some great sizzle action at four. Three to four. But here we are now,

3577
03:26:11,200 --> 03:26:16,760
twenty to seven. In fairness, they did go over time. They're into injury time. Oren, thank

3578
03:26:16,760 --> 03:26:23,960
you very much for the tip there. Tubbs, Mocracy in action. But I am flabbergasted and aghast

3579
03:26:23,960 --> 03:26:53,060
all at the same time. But we live to fight another day. Heroes aren't made in a day. Reynolds. Reynolds aren't made in a day either. Takes a long time. Takes a while.

3580
03:26:53,060 --> 03:27:19,820
To put all those parts together on a fucking production line. And that's talking about even production. What about the planning that goes into making a Renault? What about Cadbury's? What about a chocolate Renault? A Renault made out of chocolate? You think I'm talking shit? Think again. We've got one right here.

3581
03:27:19,820 --> 03:27:38,080
We've got one right here.

3582
03:27:38,080 --> 03:27:42,960
An all new 3D printed chocolate car.

3583
03:27:42,960 --> 03:27:46,400
In association with Cadbury's.

3584
03:27:46,400 --> 03:28:14,260
And Noel Kelly Management. Sponsored by Tik Tok. Proud partners with Renault and Dunstores. Featuring Aspartame and Muttman. Look at that. Sandblast. We need to play that track there again please. Maybe the entry one.

3585
03:28:14,260 --> 03:28:18,740
Oh no. I knew I'd be.

3586
03:28:28,980 --> 03:28:37,080
Well there you go. That's the signal. That's the wolf howl that signifies the end of the stream. We can get that again.

3587
03:28:39,460 --> 03:28:50,640
And I want to say thanks very much to the wee grape there. For the tip. Bring back Schlager and thank you very much. And Andy the Fork. And none other than any Shafé and Raccoon City tourism.

3588
03:28:53,480 --> 03:29:09,900
Shafé. Well. It's ready to go. Maybe just to come down after that. Maybe a bit of Shafé. And we've got one ready to go. It's a Computer Chronicles episode. It's Windows 95. Although I think we've seen this one.

3589
03:29:14,900 --> 03:29:15,800
Let me see here.

3590
03:29:22,400 --> 03:29:24,380
Guess what this show is about.

3591
03:29:24,380 --> 03:29:26,580
Yeah we have seen this. I remember that intro.

3592
03:29:28,120 --> 03:29:29,600
Guess what this show is about.

3593
03:29:44,060 --> 03:29:45,800
Actually Tom. Are you still there Tom?

3594
03:29:51,800 --> 03:29:53,320
Are we getting on? What's the story?

3595
03:29:55,040 --> 03:29:55,740
Not much.

3596
03:29:56,780 --> 03:29:59,360
We're just thinking maybe a Computer Chronicles.

3597
03:29:59,480 --> 03:30:00,880
But I have seen that one before.

3598
03:30:01,040 --> 03:30:04,180
Although I do recall you had something to show the

3599
03:30:04,180 --> 03:30:10,300
the fine collection of people who supported your quest up the mountain that day.

3600
03:30:12,460 --> 03:30:13,900
I'm glad you reminded me there.

3601
03:30:13,900 --> 03:30:18,440
I actually fell asleep during that inquest into Ryan Tubber Day and everything.

3602
03:30:18,780 --> 03:30:22,120
But I do have that clip here.

3603
03:30:22,240 --> 03:30:22,580
It was

3604
03:30:22,580 --> 03:30:25,840
the camera shut off.

3605
03:30:26,140 --> 03:30:29,340
And at the end of the stream at the top of the mountain the camera shut off.

3606
03:30:29,420 --> 03:30:31,860
But I came across an exciting cult.

3607
03:30:32,320 --> 03:30:33,680
I don't know who these people are.

3608
03:30:33,760 --> 03:30:36,020
But maybe you could shed a bit of light on it there.

3609
03:30:36,920 --> 03:30:38,360
Anybody in the chat might know.

3610
03:30:38,960 --> 03:30:40,100
If you have a clip there you have.

3611
03:30:40,100 --> 03:30:44,060
Yeah I think I have it.

3612
03:30:44,260 --> 03:30:45,180
I hope I have it.

3613
03:30:46,220 --> 03:30:46,960
Let me see here.

3614
03:30:47,680 --> 03:30:50,140
Hopefully this doesn't blow the fucking ears off anyone.

3615
03:30:51,100 --> 03:30:51,420
Good.

3616
03:30:52,280 --> 03:30:53,360
So here it is.

3617
03:30:54,680 --> 03:30:56,080
Oi you were telling me about this.

3618
03:30:56,140 --> 03:30:58,100
You came across some dudes there.

3619
03:31:05,220 --> 03:31:08,760
I came across these guys at the end of the stream on top of the mountain.

3620
03:31:09,100 --> 03:31:10,140
And I'd ended the stream.

3621
03:31:10,340 --> 03:31:14,200
But I decided to take the phone out and record them anyway.

3622
03:31:14,920 --> 03:31:17,640
I'm not particularly sure who they were or what they were about.

3623
03:31:18,140 --> 03:31:19,660
But it was fairly interesting.

3624
03:31:20,300 --> 03:31:21,260
It's a bit windy as well.

3625
03:31:21,260 --> 03:31:48,260
*Burps*

3626
03:31:48,260 --> 03:31:50,260
Crazy Bear Business.

3627
03:31:50,260 --> 03:31:54,260
Really was a crazy bit of business.

3628
03:31:54,260 --> 03:31:56,260
I never said I didn't get involved.

3629
03:31:56,260 --> 03:31:58,260
That's some craziness.

3630
03:32:02,260 --> 03:32:04,260
Great stuff, great stuff, Tom.

3631
03:32:04,260 --> 03:32:09,260
Yeah, I think we've seen that episode of Computer Chronicles, Windows 95.

3632
03:32:09,260 --> 03:32:15,260
So I think we might knock it on the head, but reconvene at some stage in the not too distant future.

3633
03:32:15,260 --> 03:32:25,260
The main thing is that a stream was had. And if anything, that's going to loosen the wheels towards putting up a new one soon enough.

3634
03:32:25,260 --> 03:32:29,260
And we're getting going back into the stream dream saddle, so to speak.

3635
03:32:29,260 --> 03:32:37,260
But I mean, to be honest now, after six and a half to seven hours of that, it's like doing a fucking full day of work having to fucking sit through one of those.

3636
03:32:37,260 --> 03:32:46,260
I really feel sorry for the people that I mean, the people that they're actually was a morning session and then a fucking afternoon session or two afternoon sessions.

3637
03:32:46,260 --> 03:32:49,260
At least the people in the first three hours got to go home.

3638
03:32:49,260 --> 03:32:51,260
We had to endure the whole thing.

3639
03:32:51,260 --> 03:32:55,260
I mean, we didn't have to, but I mean, thought it was going to be funnier than it actually was.

3640
03:32:55,260 --> 03:33:00,260
There were some nice moments, but you can't do fucking seven hours of that.

3641
03:33:00,260 --> 03:33:03,260
And I believe I'm not sure if those guys are going to be back on.

3642
03:33:03,260 --> 03:33:05,260
It's totally meant to be back on in front of anyone.

3643
03:33:05,260 --> 03:33:09,260
Is there going to be anything in the pipeline for the week ahead?

3644
03:33:09,260 --> 03:33:11,260
I actually think I'm done with that.

3645
03:33:11,260 --> 03:33:14,260
But if there's anything interesting, I will.

3646
03:33:14,260 --> 03:33:16,260
I will get back onto it.

3647
03:33:18,260 --> 03:33:19,260
All that plus farts.

3648
03:33:20,260 --> 03:33:24,260
Yes, much crack was had today Homer Thursday says scumbelina.

3649
03:33:24,260 --> 03:33:28,260
I'll have a little look on the in the the diary of broken dreams and see.

3650
03:33:29,260 --> 03:33:30,260
But.

3651
03:33:31,260 --> 03:33:36,260
Yeah, that was a look at this actually virtual meetings windows 95.

3652
03:33:37,260 --> 03:33:38,260
See, it is tempting.

3653
03:33:38,260 --> 03:33:42,260
Com deck special.

3654
03:33:42,260 --> 03:33:43,260
I think we've seen that.

3655
03:33:44,260 --> 03:33:45,260
The computer bowl.

3656
03:33:46,260 --> 03:33:47,260
I think we've seen computer art.

3657
03:33:49,260 --> 03:33:50,260
Now I'm going to leave it.

3658
03:33:50,260 --> 03:33:52,260
Don't want to don't want to push it too much.

3659
03:33:53,260 --> 03:33:56,260
I will say thank you very much to everybody who's chewed in.

3660
03:33:57,260 --> 03:34:01,260
Was a very epic quest journey through the Aractus.

3661
03:34:02,260 --> 03:34:04,260
We came, we saw, we conquered.

3662
03:34:05,260 --> 03:34:07,260
We actually got to grips with the Aractus player.

3663
03:34:07,260 --> 03:34:08,260
Still going there.

3664
03:34:08,260 --> 03:34:12,260
Powered by the O player version 2.69.1.

3665
03:34:12,260 --> 03:34:16,260
If you're interested in any of that sort of stuff.

3666
03:34:17,260 --> 03:34:18,260
It's a great player.

3667
03:34:18,260 --> 03:34:21,260
It's not the best player, but it's better than RTE player.

3668
03:34:22,260 --> 03:34:26,260
With that, a song and a leap and a prayer.

3669
03:34:27,260 --> 03:34:29,260
I want to say thank you very much.

3670
03:34:30,260 --> 03:34:31,260
Good night.

3671
03:34:31,260 --> 03:34:32,260
And we'll talk to you later on.

3672
03:34:33,260 --> 03:34:40,260
From me and everybody at Renault and Ryan Tuberty and Noel Kelly's agency.

3673
03:34:40,260 --> 03:34:42,260
I want to say thanks very much for tuning in.

3674
03:34:44,260 --> 03:34:45,260
And God bless.

3675
03:34:46,260 --> 03:34:47,260
We'll see you later.

3676
03:34:49,260 --> 03:34:50,120
All the best.

3677
03:34:50,120 --> 03:35:20,100
All the best.

3678
03:35:20,100 --> 03:35:50,080
All the best.
